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Gollum Gets Busy On: Remembering September 11th Thread

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Comrade Joe wrote:
O'Brien wrote:I'll tell you what the answer is. They must be destroyed. Every last one of them.

Winning 'hearts and minds' cannot possibly work with these extremists. How can you reverse years and years of brainwashing on how you have to kill people not like you. When a culture has children's shows about killing Jews, when you teach your young from the moment that they can walk that every other society on the planet must die, you cannot reverse that much in the same way you cannot 'unteach' walking.

Is it a nice solution? No.
Is it a popular solution? No.

It is a horrible ugly solution but it's really the only way.

O'Brien

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Ironically, the USSR understood the problem of Islam far better than the US does. For example, in 1944, Central Asian Muslims living in the USSR attempted to start their own Intifada. Stalin reacted by having entire ethnic populations of Muslims deported to the gulag. The Intifada was over almost as soon as it begun. Many years later, Hezbollah terrorists kidnapped Soviet diplomats in Lebanon. Gorbachev responded by sending the leaders severed heads of Hezbollah agents every hour until they were released. They were. It's not kind. It's not pretty. But it must be done.

So, you're saying that Muslims (because they are Muslim) are fanatical religious zealots who will stop at nothing to kill all of those that aren't members of their group (so, basically Nazis with a crescent instead of a swastika). But then, your solution to opposing them is killing Muslims, and doing it ruthlessly until they submit to your will? I'm savoring the irony.


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Comrade Gipper!

Do you have party approved shovel!?! I think Commissarka Pinkie has one you can borrow comrade, she enjoys loaning out her shovel to proles.

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[html]Gipper, I'm so glad that you savor irony. This is the right place for it. Here at the Cube we are the most liberal and progressive of all people, but when anyone says anything which is not lockstep progressive, then we run him out of town on a rail.

But be careful in invoking irony. A true progressive never will admit to it, for he'd die laughing at himself.

Also be careful with false equivalencies. As a true progressive I know that nothing is really equal to anything else, only our opinion of it, because it's all about us. For example, Teddy Kennedy quite (in)famously let a staffer suffocate in a car he was driving, and he was the lion of the Senate. But one of the Bush girls got a drink while she was underage and everything that the Rethuglicans did was evil. In fact I ordered ten copies of van Hayek and burned them in protest.

So, you're saying that Muslims (because they are Muslim) are fanatical religious zealots who will stop at nothing to kill all of those that aren't members of their group (so, basically Nazis with a crescent instead of a swastika). But then, your solution to opposing them is killing Muslims, and doing it ruthlessly until they submit to your will? I'm savoring the irony.
Surely this is simplistic. As a Made Progressive I believe that I can live in harmony with Muslims educated in Saudi-funded madrassahs who openly state that they want to die to kill Americans.

Because I'll just tell them how innocent I am, and that means that I won't have to take proactive action to stay alive. Because as all good progressives know reality is a construct and therefore what I want is important and what really exists is not important. So I don't have to worry about self defense. Because I'm wrapped in my own <i>amour propre</i>. It's <i>so</i> much easier than thinking.

I'm savoring that irony too.

Also be careful of simple things. People who say that they want to die to kill Americans and <i>do just that</i> and who will not be persuaded from it short of being killed first certainly cannot be believed to have bad intentions. Lorenzo di Medici was certainly wrong in advising his son, "People who speak off of you do not wish you well."

I refuse to believe that people who say they want to kill Americans and then die proving it really mean that because, well, I just don't have a mind big enough to understand simple truths.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:
I refuse to believe that people who say they want to kill Americans and then die proving it really mean that because, well, I just don't have a mind big enough to understand simple truths.

What a savory, sizzling succulent irony that is...

Rewatching the 9/11 documentary made by Jules and Gedeon Naudet and thinking again how horrible that anyone would suggest this was done by anyone but the Bush brothers. That it could possibly be committed by people who have sworn to kill themselves in order to destroy the West and who have previously attempted to kill themselves and the West seems an utterly ludicrous possibility. Indeed, it must have been that Bush and the Jew conspired in order to bring down the twin towers using military drones and preplanted detonations to cause a prestidigitatious distraction from the theft of the gold from tower 7 which would later be used by the Illuminati to exult Bush to global domination and bring about the new world order seems a far more plausible theory.

Of course the members of Al-Qaeda should probably object to this second theory; after all, if I put so much work into my job I'd be pretty pissed if the credit for success went elsewhere.

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[html]And for any pansy faced knock kneed candy sucking yellow bellied whiny ass liberal I say RELEASE THE MINOTAUR!

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Comrade Gipper wrote: So, you're saying that Muslims (because they are Muslim) are fanatical religious zealots who will stop at nothing to kill all of those that aren't members of their group (so, basically Nazis with a crescent instead of a swastika). But then, your solution to opposing them is killing Muslims, and doing it ruthlessly until they submit to your will? I'm savoring the irony.

I'm glad you do. What I am saying is that every Muslim who actually reads and follows the koran has to obey Muhammed's order that they should "war on the unbelievers". Anyone following this commandment is therefore my enemy. All one has to do is read the koran, and you will see how interagle war has been to Islam from the very begginning. In it, permanent peace with non-believers is forbidden. The closest thing to it is called 'hudna" or cease-fire. This is only allowed when the Muslims are weaker and must be used to gather strength. The hudna can last no more than 10 years, at which point they must go back to jihad against the infidels (us). I don't like it. But many take those words to heart and are thus determined to destroy America and all it stands for. Thus, they are my enemies. In this war, it's kill or be killed. Your choice.

 

 

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For anyone interested, I highly recommend Bernard Lewis' 2006 book "The Crisis of Islam." Perhaps one of the best and most lucid summaries of both the potential good of Islam and the seriously, dangerously bad of Islam.

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[html]Rex, Joe, I commend your research. I am too lazy to do it. But then at my age I've developed short cuts. I read V. S. Naipaul's <i>Among the Believers</i> and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's <i>Infidel</i> and I saw on 9/11 and 9/12 Palestinian children dancing in the street because of dead Americans.

This tells me all that I need to know. After all, just how many proofs do you need before you believe that 2 and 2 are 4?[/html]

 

 

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:Gipper, I'm so glad that you savor irony. This is the right place for it. Here at the Cube we are the most liberal and progressive of all people, but when anyone says anything which is not lockstep progressive, then we run him out of town on a rail.

But be careful in invoking irony. A true progressive never will admit to it, for he'd die laughing at himself.

Also be careful with false equivalencies. As a true progressive I know that nothing is really equal to anything else, only our opinion of it, because it's all about us. For example, Teddy Kennedy quite (in)famously let a staffer suffocate in a car he was driving, and he was the lion of the Senate. But one of the Bush girls got a drink while she was underage and everything that the Rethuglicans did was evil. In fact I ordered ten copies of van Hayek and burned them in protest.

So, you're saying that Muslims (because they are Muslim) are fanatical religious zealots who will stop at nothing to kill all of those that aren't members of their group (so, basically Nazis with a crescent instead of a swastika). But then, your solution to opposing them is killing Muslims, and doing it ruthlessly until they submit to your will? I'm savoring the irony.
Surely this is simplistic. As a Made Progressive I believe that I can live in harmony with Muslims educated in Saudi-funded madrassahs who openly state that they want to die to kill Americans.

Because I'll just tell them how innocent I am, and that means that I won't have to take proactive action to stay alive. Because as all good progressives know reality is a construct and therefore what I want is important and what really exists is not important. So I don't have to worry about self defense. Because I'm wrapped in my own <i>amour propre</i>. It's <i>so</i> much easier than thinking.

I'm savoring that irony too.

Also be careful of simple things. People who say that they want to die to kill Americans and <i>do just that</i> and who will not be persuaded from it short of being killed first certainly cannot be believed to have bad intentions. Lorenzo di Medici was certainly wrong in advising his son, "People who speak off of you do not wish you well."

I refuse to believe that people who say they want to kill Americans and then die proving it really mean that because, well, I just don't have a mind big enough to understand simple truths.

Because I'm a progressive.

I stopped reading your post after your false equivalency between the Chappaquiddick incident (which you distort to make Kennedy sound like a sociopath) & the Bush daughters getting drunk while they were First Daughters.

While I admit that being a sarcastic asshole is fun & often rewarding, I also am disappointed. I mean, really, in order to be a sarcastic asshole, you can't just copy+paste tired smears with a sarcastic guise. You have to actually be original in some way. You know, break away from the herd.


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Comrade Gipper wrote:
I stopped reading your post after your false equivalency between the Chappaquiddick incident (which you distort to make Kennedy sound like a sociopath) & the Bush daughters getting drunk while they were First Daughters.


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Comrade Gipper wrote:
Commissar Theocritus wrote:Gipper, I'm so glad that you savor irony. This is the right place for it. Here at the Cube we are the most liberal and progressive of all people, but when anyone says anything which is not lockstep progressive, then we run him out of town on a rail.

But be careful in invoking irony. A true progressive never will admit to it, for he'd die laughing at himself.

Also be careful with false equivalencies. As a true progressive I know that nothing is really equal to anything else, only our opinion of it, because it's all about us. For example, Teddy Kennedy quite (in)famously let a staffer suffocate in a car he was driving, and he was the lion of the Senate. But one of the Bush girls got a drink while she was underage and everything that the Rethuglicans did was evil. In fact I ordered ten copies of van Hayek and burned them in protest.

So, you're saying that Muslims (because they are Muslim) are fanatical religious zealots who will stop at nothing to kill all of those that aren't members of their group (so, basically Nazis with a crescent instead of a swastika). But then, your solution to opposing them is killing Muslims, and doing it ruthlessly until they submit to your will? I'm savoring the irony.
Surely this is simplistic. As a Made Progressive I believe that I can live in harmony with Muslims educated in Saudi-funded madrassahs who openly state that they want to die to kill Americans.

Because I'll just tell them how innocent I am, and that means that I won't have to take proactive action to stay alive. Because as all good progressives know reality is a construct and therefore what I want is important and what really exists is not important. So I don't have to worry about self defense. Because I'm wrapped in my own <i>amour propre</i>. It's <i>so</i> much easier than thinking.

I'm savoring that irony too.

Also be careful of simple things. People who say that they want to die to kill Americans and <i>do just that</i> and who will not be persuaded from it short of being killed first certainly cannot be believed to have bad intentions. Lorenzo di Medici was certainly wrong in advising his son, "People who speak off of you do not wish you well."

I refuse to believe that people who say they want to kill Americans and then die proving it really mean that because, well, I just don't have a mind big enough to understand simple truths.

Because I'm a progressive.

I stopped reading your post after your false equivalency between the Chappaquiddick incident (which you distort to make Kennedy sound like a sociopath) & the Bush daughters getting drunk while they were First Daughters.

While I admit that being a sarcastic asshole is fun & often rewarding, I also am disappointed. I mean, really, in order to be a sarcastic asshole, you can't just copy+paste tired smears with a sarcastic guise. You have to actually be original in some way. You know, break away from the herd.

Wow. It didn’t take long to lose any sense of decorum did it guy? Pretty much standard practice and expected of people of your ilk to resort to name calling when bested. How many pols can get away with killing someone and go on to be the “Lion of the Senate”? Comrade Theocritus made a strong point that needs no defense. He handled you with obvious ease.[/html]

 

 

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Gipper, you say you stopped reading after I made a false equivalency. I did no such thing.

The laziest breed of troll is the one who just cannot be bothered and assumes that he will still be heeded by sniffing. Doesn't work, precious.

You have given me more evidence of your precious solipsism. (Do you know that word? I, with the mind of a mentally retarded hamster know it.) But I'll bet that that's a word that you just can't get your mind around because the very concept of solipsism would be to you like garlic to a vampire.

I'm guessing from your attitude that you're a college student from a liberal university, an enclave of self-regard. (I'm trying to work you into solipsism by baby steps.) At one time I'd have rolled my eyes and shut up, waiting for you to be mugged by reality but have lost patience for that. Your future is to see a world which you do not like, and in your self-absorption (another baby step) scream instead of bowing to reality. You will feel much better when you realize that the world always wins and that every plan, every scheme, has to be measured not in hope but by cost and possibility.

But still you yap while not even bothering to engage.

Accusing me of a cut-and-paste job is risible. Dismissing a perfectly valid point as a "tired smear" is running, screaming, into the night. And as a slight aside, when does murder become a smear? Also what is the statute of limitations on murder? Only sociopaths think that there is one.

You remind me of the French duchess who at parties would feel the need to take a dump and do it--on the floor right there. Because she was a duchess it was okay, in her thinking. You're no duchess, princess--your shit does stink.

Grow up, puppy.

Oh, and Gipper is by far the weakest troll name that I've ever seen.

 

 

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:Gipper, you say you stopped reading after I made a false equivalency. I did no such thing.

I'm pretty sure equating the partisan reactions of Chappaquiddick & the Bush daughters being caught drunk underage is a false equivalency. I don't really know many people who'd think that the two events are anywhere on the same scale.

[quote=""Commissar Theocritus"]The laziest breed of troll is the one who just cannot be bothered and assumes that he will still be heeded by sniffing. Doesn't work, precious.[/quote]

I would've bothered to trudge through your post, but it was just more bullshit than I was able to deal with.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:You have given me more evidence of your precious solipsism. (Do you know that word? I, with the mind of a mentally retarded hamster know it.)

Good for you, I'm sure your mom will be happy the word-a-day calendar she got you has been put to good use.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:But I'll bet that that's a word that you just can't get your mind around because the very concept of solipsism would be to you like garlic to a vampire.

Trust me, there, shooter, the concept of solipsism is easily one of the least horrendous concepts I've ever heard of.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:I'm guessing from your attitude that you're a college student from a liberal university, an enclave of self-regard.

Well, right on one count, I am a college student. But I don't know what you'd consider a "liberal" university. I've never got the feeling that the upper echelons of my college are 100% Kool-Aid drinking commies. But then again, I'm apparently very solipsistic.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:(I'm trying to work you into solipsism by baby steps.)

I'll take that as either: a) You trying to "teach me" watch solipsism really is or, more likely b)You admitted that I am not solipsistic. Either way, good job.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:At one time I'd have rolled my eyes and shut up, waiting for you to be mugged by reality but have lost patience for that.

Good to know that the immortal words of Irving Kristol are being put to such good use. Sorry about your loss of patience, though. I lost mine a long time ago, in a thread far away...

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Your future is to see a world which you do not like, and in your self-absorption (another baby step) scream instead of bowing to reality.

I like this, because this is like the pot calling the kettle black. I mean, seriously, what is "reality" for you? Is it something that'll "teach" me to not be a "librul"? Please. I doubt that living in your parents' basement really is the same thing as being a middle-class college student from an economic death zone, like I am, working my ass off to pay for college.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:You will feel much better when you realize that the world always wins and that every plan, every scheme, has to be measured not in hope but by cost and possibility.

I barely know where to start. You think that I'm not cynical? You think that I like having to deal with wide-eyed True Believers who'd sacrifice their first-born child before raising taxes 0.01% to pay for a poor family's health insurance? You honestly think that I don't know where you're going with this?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:But still you yap while not even bothering to engage.

This reminds me of the difference between the Bush & Obama years. When the anti-Iraq protestors marched all over the world, Fox News pretty much dismissed them as cranks, rabble-rousers & deluded solipsists (gee, that sounds familiar...). But when the Teabagging movement kicked off to protest Obama's tax policies, suddenly the protesters are "real Americans", and it is a "grass-roots" movement despite the influence of several anti-UHC lobbies & groups.
You say I "refuse to engage" & "yap". I say you do the same thing. Let's agree to disagree, for once.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Accusing me of a cut-and-paste job is risible.

And calling me a solipsistic, non-realistic liberal isn't?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Dismissing a perfectly valid point as a "tired smear" is running, screaming, into the night.

If it were perfectly valid, I would've dealt with it. Since it isn't, I'm dismissing it. See how that works?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:And as a slight aside, when does murder become a smear?

I hate to tell you this, but accusing someone of murder when it's obviously false is a smear.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Also what is the statute of limitations on murder? Only sociopaths think that there is one.

Here comes the red herring. I never said anything on the statute of limitations on murder, or any crime for that matter. But if you want to be real precise, what you're accusing Kennedy of is manslaughter, not murder, or at the very least, gross negligence. However, if he wasn't prosecuted for it, I doubt that kicking & screaming about it after 40 years & after he just died is going to kickstart a new investigation.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:You remind me of the French duchess who at parties would feel the need to take a dump and do it--on the floor right there. Because she was a duchess it was okay, in her thinking. You're no duchess, princess--your shit does stink.

I like how you think I have a positive self-image. I mean, for Christ's sake, I spend my time talking to people like you. If I really thought my shit didn't stink, I wouldn't even want to read your arrogant, condescending abortion of a reply.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Grow up, puppy.

At least I won't grow up to be a bitch, unlike some people I know.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Oh, and Gipper is by far the weakest troll name that I've ever seen.

Oh, parting shot! Which would work, but when have I given any indication that I care what you think about my user name? Or pretty much any of your opinions that are just the baa-ing of a GOP sheep?


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Commissar Theocritus wrote:Gipper, you say you stopped reading after I made a false equivalency. I did no such thing.

I'm pretty sure equating the partisan reactions of Chappaquiddick & the Bush daughters being caught drunk underage is a false equivalency. I don't really know many people who'd think that the two events are anywhere on the same scale.

[quote=""Commissar Theocritus"]The laziest breed of troll is the one who just cannot be bothered and assumes that he will still be heeded by sniffing. Doesn't work, precious.

I would've bothered to trudge through your post, but it was just more bullshit than I was able to deal with.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:You have given me more evidence of your precious solipsism. (Do you know that word? I, with the mind of a mentally retarded hamster know it.)

Good for you, I'm sure your mom will be happy the word-a-day calendar she got you has been put to good use.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:But I'll bet that that's a word that you just can't get your mind around because the very concept of solipsism would be to you like garlic to a vampire.

Trust me, there, shooter, the concept of solipsism is easily one of the least horrendous concepts I've ever heard of.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:I'm guessing from your attitude that you're a college student from a liberal university, an enclave of self-regard.

Well, right on one count, I am a college student. But I don't know what you'd consider a "liberal" university. I've never got the feeling that the upper echelons of my college are 100% Kool-Aid drinking commies. But then again, I'm apparently very solipsistic.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:(I'm trying to work you into solipsism by baby steps.)

I'll take that as either: a) You trying to "teach me" watch solipsism really is or, more likely b)You admitted that I am not solipsistic. Either way, good job.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:At one time I'd have rolled my eyes and shut up, waiting for you to be mugged by reality but have lost patience for that.

Good to know that the immortal words of Irving Kristol are being put to such good use. Sorry about your loss of patience, though. I lost mine a long time ago, in a thread far away...

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Your future is to see a world which you do not like, and in your self-absorption (another baby step) scream instead of bowing to reality.

I like this, because this is like the pot calling the kettle black. I mean, seriously, what is "reality" for you? Is it something that'll "teach" me to not be a "librul"? Please. I doubt that living in your parents' basement really is the same thing as being a middle-class college student from an economic death zone, like I am, working my ass off to pay for college.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:You will feel much better when you realize that the world always wins and that every plan, every scheme, has to be measured not in hope but by cost and possibility.

I barely know where to start. You think that I'm not cynical? You think that I like having to deal with wide-eyed True Believers who'd sacrifice their first-born child before raising taxes 0.01% to pay for a poor family's health insurance? You honestly think that I don't know where you're going with this?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:But still you yap while not even bothering to engage.

This reminds me of the difference between the Bush & Obama years. When the anti-Iraq protestors marched all over the world, Fox News pretty much dismissed them as cranks, rabble-rousers & deluded solipsists (gee, that sounds familiar...). But when the Teabagging movement kicked off to protest Obama's tax policies, suddenly the protesters are "real Americans", and it is a "grass-roots" movement despite the influence of several anti-UHC lobbies & groups.
You say I "refuse to engage" & "yap". I say you do the same thing. Let's agree to disagree, for once.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Accusing me of a cut-and-paste job is risible.

And calling me a solipsistic, non-realistic liberal isn't?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Dismissing a perfectly valid point as a "tired smear" is running, screaming, into the night.

If it were perfectly valid, I would've dealt with it. Since it isn't, I'm dismissing it. See how that works?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:And as a slight aside, when does murder become a smear?

I hate to tell you this, but accusing someone of murder when it's obviously false is a smear.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Also what is the statute of limitations on murder? Only sociopaths think that there is one.

Here comes the red herring. I never said anything on the statute of limitations on murder, or any crime for that matter. But if you want to be real precise, what you're accusing Kennedy of is manslaughter, not murder, or at the very least, gross negligence. However, if he wasn't prosecuted for it, I doubt that kicking & screaming about it after 40 years & after he just died is going to kickstart a new investigation.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:You remind me of the French duchess who at parties would feel the need to take a dump and do it--on the floor right there. Because she was a duchess it was okay, in her thinking. You're no duchess, princess--your shit does stink.

I like how you think I have a positive self-image. I mean, for Christ's sake, I spend my time talking to people like you. If I really thought my shit didn't stink, I wouldn't even want to read your arrogant, condescending abortion of a reply.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Grow up, puppy.

At least I won't grow up to be a bitch, unlike some people I know.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Oh, and Gipper is by far the weakest troll name that I've ever seen.

Oh, parting shot! Which would work, but when have I given any indication that I care what you think about my user name? Or pretty much any of your opinions that are just the baa-ing of a GOP sheep?[/quote]

You are that dining room table Barney Frank mentioned a few weeks ago. This is a big boy board. Obtuse children that have shallow intellect; an aversion to critical thought, can’t make coherent arguments and resort to name calling as soon as they are frustrated don’t last long.

I won't waste time on you but I highly recommend you move on before being humiliated again. Theo has you pegged. Children like you are a dime a dozen.

 

 

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INGSOC,

It's funny you mention the whole Barney Frank thing. See, talking to pedantic assholes such as yourself is kind of to me like talking to a table.

As for it being a "big boy board", please. All of the people who have replied to me have shown less maturity than I have. Which, admittedly, is not a lot, but the point still stands.

The "Obtuse children" thing isn't true. I mean, if it was, then why are you still here?

If you aren't wasting time on me, then why are you quoting my entire posts?

Finally, "children like you are a dime a dozen" from you sounds like the fond recollection of a guy who went to a Filipino brothel specializing in younger boys.


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Is there anything of value in your rhetoric? Counting down to your demise....
you came here with a chip which you cannot seem to shake. Is this maybe a personality disorder? Maybe Dr. Fuku can help.

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Comrade Gipper wrote:
As for it being a "big boy board", please. All of the people who have replied to me have shown less maturity than I have. Which, admittedly, is not a lot, but the point still stands.

So what are we suppose to do, ignore you so you can say "Why don't you a**holes respond to me?" Do we respond, and defend our beliefs to you so you can call us assholes?

This is an ugly Catch-22 at its finest, but you have an even weirder Catch-22 to deal with. If you post on here, you'll just get responses you probably can't comprehend the hidden message under the message (See Theo's post), but if you don't post, you'll just get angry at what we have to say.

Hey, I've got the solution! Why don't all of us just surrender our wills and vote democrat, that way, we can all be happy and stupid.

 

 

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Comrade Gipper wrote:INGSOC,

It's funny you mention the whole Barney Frank thing. See, talking to pedantic assholes such as yourself is kind of to me like talking to a table.

As for it being a "big boy board", please. All of the people who have replied to me have shown less maturity than I have. Which, admittedly, is not a lot, but the point still stands.

The "Obtuse children" thing isn't true. I mean, if it was, then why are you still here?

If you aren't wasting time on me, then why are you quoting my entire posts?

Finally, "children like you are a dime a dozen" from you sounds like the fond recollection of a guy who went to a Filipino brothel specializing in younger boys.

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Is there anything of value in your rhetoric? Counting down to your demise....
you came here with a chip which you cannot seem to shake. Is this maybe a personality disorder? Maybe Dr. Fuku can help.

-Supreme Commander of Thread Jacking & Stuffed Mice Toys™

Case in point. Thank you sir. Your record in this thread speaks for itself.

 

 

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[html]Beaver Bait? I don't know which is worse: trying to pretend to be the Exalted Ronald Reagan or suggesting that you are, er, Beaver Bait. Unless you mean that you're a sapling beside a stream.

Of course Chappaquiddick is not the same as one of the Bush daughters getting an illegal drink (which is not the Bush daughters drunk. This is a canard). Teddy Kennedy was a murderer, oh, all right committed manslaughter, a distinction without a difference, and legalistic nitpicking. The left's stock in trade is false equivalency. I refer you to a comment when you were incarnated as Gipper:
So, you're saying that Muslims (because they are Muslim) are fanatical religious zealots who will stop at nothing to kill all of those that aren't members of their group (so, basically Nazis with a crescent instead of a swastika). But then, your solution to opposing them is killing Muslims, and doing it ruthlessly until they submit to your will? I'm savoring the irony.
That will be entered into the sweepstakes for false equivalencies. I chose the Chappaquiddick/underage beer episode to demonstrate that the left specializes in false equivalencies. Since all you have is precious attitude.

Beaver Bait wrote:I would've bothered to trudge through your post, but it was just more bullshit than I was able to deal with.
I hope that you didn't press the back of your hand too hard against your forehead and that your sighing didn't bother the neighbor's dog as you rolled your eyes in your precious sophistication.

Ah. Someone got me a Word-a-Day calendar? Hardly. There are things about philology that you ought to know. First, you may knows words through their etymology, and that's wonderful and good fun. I try never to use a word against its etymological derivation but confess that I'm limited to classical words. If it's not Latin or Greek I have a hard time with it. German I don't like. Genosse Pieck, pardon me and I <i>am</i> German.

But second, all words are not subject to the quick study--the vitamin pill--of a word a day. Even <a href="https://awordaday.com/">A Word A Day</a>. Some words just take living to understand. For one, <i>solipsism</i>, which you do not yet understand, and I suspect that you do not understand <i>hubris</i> either. Reading the definitions of these words will do you no more good than reading the definition of integration by parts. You have to roll up your sleeves and get into it.

(If you can help me distinguish meanings of <i>practical</i>, <i>pragmatic</i>, <i>realistic</i> and <i>cynical</i> I'd appreciate it. I don't think that I'm making a crack by throwing <i>cynical</i> in with the others. I've been working on that group for over 30 years. This is a case where a lexicon is of little practical--see?--use.)

Trust me, there, shooter, the concept of solipsism is easily one of the least horrendous concepts I've ever heard of.
That could be the motto of every dictator or serial killer who ever lived. You <i>have no idea</i> of what the word means. If you ever do come to grips with it you will writhe in embarrassment. I suspect though that your psychological defenses will keep you from ever apprehending that word, your mind glancing off it, repressing the self-knowledge that it would bring.

I'm not being nasty here: for you to exist as a fully functioning individual you need to understand what <i>solipsistic</i> means. My informal definition is, "It's all about me!" Is this in any way different from sociopathy? Some quarter of a century ago I had such a boyfriend and to this day I cannot determine where the uncaring, self-referential solipsism ended and where the sociopathy started. I am keenly attuned to the disease. If he had had a sadistic streak or were greedy, he could have been a real monster. Are you beginning to understand </i>solipsism</i>? As it was he was merely very leavable.

The best thing that you can do is to realize that words mean something <i>outside yourself</i>. The major disease of college is incarnated in the matriculation address, where you are told that you are the light of the world. I recall my matriculation in 1973 at Rice--I knew it was bullshit. We were college kids and there to learn. I resented the flattery. And even knowing that at 18 I still had to learn that it's not all about me.

I got a very good education at college, but it taught me nothing about life. I took EE courses for grins and knew as much EE as high-school classmates in five-year courses at state schools, and still knew nothing more about life than they did. College proves that you have put up with four years of bullshit and proves to an employer that you can put up with more if you have to, and that's its major advantage. Grow up.

Your only chance at avoiding a life of impotent rage is subjecting yourself to reality and one of the best ways to do that is not to grapple words and concepts and meanings into whatever pleases you, but looking at them head-on. It's tough. Lord it's tough. I hope that you will believe me when I say that I learned that one the hard way. But eventually, when you are paroled into the big, cold, cruel world you will find that it simply doesn't care about you and your precious ideas or the rubbish that you've heard from professors and in bull sessions.

Life doesn't care about me and my precious ideas either. But since I know that I don't have nearly as far to fall. Because I have fallen.

I mean, seriously, what is "reality" for you? Is it something that'll "teach" me to not be a "librul"? Please. I doubt that living in your parents' basement really is the same thing as being a middle-class college student from an economic death zone, like I am, working my ass off to pay for college.
Modern-day liberalism is a temper tantrum. The world should cure it; if the world doesn't, then the world will collapse owing to reality being stretched beyond support. The modern-day liberal is always fuming that the world doesn't correspond to his demands and to make it do so is always regulating, yelling, and passing laws. In other words, a temper tantrum.

I too was a middle-class college student and I worked during the time that I was at Rice. A computer-science labbie. Studying real things, like math, instead of inflated matters of opinion like sociology, or god help me, English. And living in my parents' basement? Hardly. I beg the indulgence of old-time Cubists for the repetition, but <a href="https://gallery.mac.com/daustins#100378">here is my house</a>, which I designed, and paid for myself. With money I earned by bowing to reality instead of having hissy fits.

You think that I'm not cynical? You think that I like having to deal with wide-eyed True Believers who'd sacrifice their first-born child before raising taxes 0.01% to pay for a poor family's health insurance?
This is callow rubbish. First, True Believers are defined as leftists who believe, against all evidence, that statism works. That temper tantrum again. And your assertion that raising taxes 0.01% to pay for a poor family's health insurance is merely risible. It is the weakest polemic that I've heard in months.

I defy you to give me evidence of what you say.

By the way, you need to learn, also as part of your philological education, that <i>refute</i> and <i>deny</i> have utterly different meanings. Refute me if you can. Deny at your risk.

If you walk up to M. D. Anderson in Houston you get the best medical care on earth, regardless of your ability to pay. If you try to pay for medical care in Canada you cannot get it and you get lousy medical care for the taxes that you do pay. I defy you to give a single convincing argument that raising taxes, even more than your absurd 0.01%, will give better medical care. There is utterly no evidence of it. None.

I doubt that kicking & screaming about [Kennedy's causing the death of Mary Jo Kopechne] after 40 years & after he just died is going to kickstart a new investigation.
First, "after he just died" is cheapjack sentimentality. You might learn the difference between <i>sentiment</i> and <i>sentimentality</i>; you would not have said that if you knew it.

I have no desire to start a new investigation. That drunken bum Kennedy may as well have put a gun to her head--the result would have been more merciful than letting her die, of asphyxiation, breathing the increasingly rancid air trapped in the roof of his Olds Cutlass as he slept off a drunk. My charge to you is that Teddy Kennedy, the Lion of the Senate, was a goddamned <i>murderer</i> and since it is demonstrably true (pages of documentation on request), it is not a smear. If you think that an inconvenient truth is a smear, then you are morally bankrupt.

And if you think that murder is ever tired, then you are morally bankrupt in another dimension.

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Comrade Gipper wrote:
As for it being a "big boy board", please. All of the people who have replied to me have shown less maturity than I have. Which, admittedly, is not a lot, but the point still stands.

So what are we suppose to do, ignore you so you can say "Why don't you a**holes respond to me?"

Or at least, not respond like a pack of roaming douches.

Commissar_Elliott wrote:Do we respond, and defend our beliefs to you so you can call us assholes?

I won't call you assholes if you don't act like them.

Commissar_Elliott wrote:This is an ugly Catch-22 at its finest,

It would be if that were in any way the case.

Commissar_Elliott wrote:but you have an even weirder Catch-22 to deal with. If you post on here, you'll just get responses you probably can't comprehend the hidden message under the message (See Theo's post),

By "hidden message" you mean your unfunny neurosis sense of humor aka "sarcasm"?

Commissar_Elliott wrote:but if you don't post, you'll just get angry at what we have to say.

See above.

Commissar_Elliott wrote:Hey, I've got the solution!

Here comes the civil solution, without partisan rhetoric, designed to insure-

Commissar_Elliott wrote:Why don't all of us just surrender our wills and vote democrat, that way, we can all be happy and stupid.

It was too much to ask for, wasn't it? I mean, look, while I haven't been always civil, I'm not a hypocrite. I acknowledge that I can be an asshole & I won't deny it. On the other hand, people on this board/thread/site/whatever constantly call me names and are surprised & offended when I call them out on their douchiness. So don't dish it out if you can't take it.

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Hey, now wait a sec. I haven't called anyone any names... yet. And can douches roam? That would be a site.

Oh give me a home
Where the sweet douchebags roam
And I'll show you a puddle on the floor.

(I know I know - pretty damn gross, but what can I say? I work with children)

 

 

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Oh good, then how about some Comrade Sparkplug K-12 Foodicare:

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Red Rooster wrote:Oh good, then how about some Comrade Sparkplug K-12 Foodicare:

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It's amazing that you're considered a responsible adult, what with all the child-like bullshit that I've seen you do.


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I thought RR was a responsible pullet, not a responsible adult.

 

 

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AbecedariusRex wrote:I thought RR was a responsible pullet, not a responsible adult.

Touche.

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Comrade ABCRex, Pullet?!? Isn't that what happens at the shooting range?

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Naw, you're thinking of "duck!!!!" and cover.

I'm talking about gallus gallus domesticus particularly of the biggus dickus breed.

 

 

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You been sneaking into my shower again miss primordial progolodyte?

 

 


 

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I remember September 11, 2001. I remember what commie liberal progressive professor Noam Chomsky said about America.

I remember when that jackass commie Democrat professor pretending to be an Indian called the victims Little Eichmans, er however the hell you spell it.

I remember how that commie Democrat Bill Ayers said peoples patriotism after the attacks was "distressing".

Oh I remember, I remember.

Damn Commie Democrats!

I also remember when Blo Job Billy Clinton signed the bill to give our Federal tax dollars to bail out New York in front of those commie's Cloward and Priven who's subversive strategy for bankrupting capitalism, bankrupted New York. Not a word in the News of the day.

Damn Commies.

 

 

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Lone Stage Grip wrote:I remember September 11, 2001. I remember what commie liberal progressive professor Noam Chomsky said about America.

Or what Jerry Falwell said about who's fault it was...

Lone Stage Grip wrote:I remember when that jackass commie Democrat professor pretending to be an Indian called the victims Little Eichmans, er however the hell you spell it.

OK, what Ward Churchill said was really God damn awful. Also, Fuck Ward Churchill.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:I remember how that commie Democrat Bill Ayers said peoples patriotism after the attacks was "distressing".

He was wrong that it was "distressing". But then again, people acted out of "patriotism" when they blacklisted Muslims & made assholes out of all of us by being bigots towards them.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:Oh I remember, I remember.

In all seriousness, we should always remember what happened on September 11th.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:Damn Commie Democrats!

Sometimes I think I'm dealing with children here.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:I also remember when Blo Job Billy Clinton

Being a college-age male, if I was known for getting head in my office, I'd savor the shit out of that fact.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:signed the bill to give our Federal tax dollars to bail out New York in front of those commie's Cloward and Priven who's subversive strategy for bankrupting capitalism, bankrupted New York. Not a word in the News of the day.

Hyperbole aside, I honestly think I'm going to look into that now.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:Damn Commies.

Can you please stop ruining your insightful comments with childish name-calling? Christ...

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Here you go little college boy, seein' as how yer pretty thickheaded, try this lefty link: Cloward-Piven Strategy

Damn Democrat Commies!

 

 

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Lone Stage Grip wrote:Here you go little college boy,

Nice to know I've got your respect, LSG.

Translation: Славься, Отечество наше свободное,

Lone Stage Grip wrote:seein' as how yer pretty thickheaded,

No, I'm just a Decider. And I've Decided to try to liberate your brain cells from the oppressive regime of GOP propaganda and its indoctrination.

Translation: Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы, И Ленин великий нам путь озарил: На правое дело он поднял народы, На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил!

Lone Stage Grip wrote:try this lefty link: Cloward-Piven Strategy

Hahahaha! The phrase "brought to you by David Horowitz's..." is the point where most people promptly click out of that window & find something that doesn't involve the ramblings of a bigoted, anti-Muslim neocon with a hard-on for Nazi/terrorist (but only if they're Muslim!) analogies.

Translation: В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма, Мы видим грядущее нашей страны, И Красному знамени славной Отчизны, Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!

Lone Stage Grip wrote:Damn Democrat Commies!

I think it's funny that you think a insult that sounds like something Joe McCarthy would say has any relevance in the 21st century.

Translation: Славься, Отечество наше свободное, Дружбы народов надёжный оплот! Партия Ленина — сила народная... Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведёт!


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[html]OH GOODIE!!!! LOOK COMRADE RED SQUARE!!!! He knows the words to the old Soviet Union's national anthem, too. The next time we go marching to the WW2 memorial on the Mall singing the Hymn of the USSR, can we invite this "Baby <s>Troll</s> Prog" along? He is, after all, progressing quite well as a Socialist/Democrat!!!


Comrade Sparkplugius,

There is an old Russian proverb that says:

Когда ебут, фамилю не спрашивают.

Learn it, well. Because this happens a lot in life when you are a "grown up".

Communism's triumph.... *pfft*! On the other hand... the election of His Excellency, General Secretary and President-4-Life, B. Husaain Obama as the first Marxist President of the United Soviet States of AmeriKa is, in a fashion, a triumph of Communism.

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Major Imbecile Wrote
I think it's funny that you think a insult that sounds like something Joe McCarthy would say has any relevance in the 21st century.
Dumb fuck.
Read this.

McCarthy was right.
Common knowledge since the fall of the Soviet Union and the declassification of the Venona Intercepts in 1995.
Apparently Spartakus' history teachers never got the memo and they filled his brain with Anti-McCarthy Hate Mush.

McCarthy was a patriot.
Spartakus never has and never will be.
It'll take many years of deprogramming to turn him into a functioning American citizen.

 

 

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Comrade Spartakus wrote: No, I'm just a Decider. And I've Decided to try to liberate your brain cells from the oppressive regime of GOP propaganda and its indoctrination.

I'm a damn Independent, and I independently think you're a dipshit. At least the commies on here have something funny to say once in a while AND they do their homework.

Go screw yourself Mr. Mediocre Democrat!
(and don't forget to take your homework with ya.)

 

 

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Chimpy Spartahitler says:

No, I'm just a Decider. And I've Decided to try to liberate your brain cells from the oppressive regime of GOP propaganda and its indoctrination.

Hey, we never asked to be liberated! Don't you know oppressed people love to be oppressed, and that's why they never ask to be liberated? Yes, oppressed people are so happy to be enslaved, that they would never dream of going against their Dear Leader. Why, they'd just as soon be shoved head first into a wood chipper or have the soles of their feet flogged or have their genitals electrically shocked (but not be waterboarded--never waterboarded, OMG the horror!) than complain about their Dear Leader's regime!

On the other hand, I can understand your desire to steal other people's brain cells. Try drilling for your own--oh, but they won't let you. Mustn't disturb all that empty pristine barren wasteland between your ears.

 

 

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Pinkie, let Gollum have his little fun. His life will likely be a series of writing proposals for "research grants" and other rubbish, which is of course a way to keep from working.

 

 

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Oh, but Theocritus! Can't you see that what he's doing is immoral and illegal? Trying to "liberate" other people's brain cells when he's really stealing them!

He's going to get himself into such a quagmire if he does that--especially if he has no clear exit strategy.

No, he needs to eliminate his dependence on other people's brain cells and find an alternative source. I would recommend he try tapping into his own resources for things like natural gas, and wind power for heat. They're cheaper, and of the same quality as what's fueling his ideas now.

 

 

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Comrade Spartakus wrote: No, I'm just a Decider. And I've Decided to try to liberate your brain cells from the oppressive regime of GOP propaganda and its indoctrination.

I'm a damn Independent, and I independently think you're a dipshit. At least the commies on here have something funny to say once in a while AND they do their homework.

Go screw yourself Mr. Mediocre Democrat!
(and don't forget to take your homework with ya.)
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Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:OH GOODIE!!!! LOOK COMRADE RED SQUARE!!!! He knows the words to the old Soviet Union's national anthem, too.

You know, if I really wanted to, I'd complain about this parade of dickery, but unlike some here, I'll try to act like a grown-up.

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:The next time we go marching to the WW2 memorial on the Mall singing the Hymn of the USSR, can we invite this "Baby <s>Troll</s> Prog" along?

I'd rather get castrated with a rusty spoon than spend face-time with you mouthbreathers.

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:He is, after all, progressing quite well as a Socialist/Democrat!!!

"Socialist/Democrat" was original back in 1933. It's not now.

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:Comrade Sparkplugius,

I suppose it's the least-offensive nickname I've got, so...

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:There is an old Russian proverb that says:

Don't care.

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:Когда ебут, фамилю не спрашивают.

Still don't care.

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:Learn it, well. Because this happens a lot in life when you are a "grown up".

People who call you a whiny child act more like them than you do?

Zampolit Blokhayev wrote:Communism's triumph.... *pfft*! On the other hand... the election of His Excellency, General Secretary and President-4-Life, B. Husaain Obama as the first Marxist President of the United Soviet States of AmeriKa is, in a fashion, a triumph of Communism.

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Commissar, 1st Chief Directorate for The Party™ Approved Margarita Research and Operations
Grand Inquisitor, The Reformed Church of Latter-Day Climatology (The Goremons)

I'm imagining you going to the Kremlin c. 1941 & having a sign draped around your neck saying "I HATE STALIN".


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Major Imbecile wrote: I think it's funny that you think a insult that sounds like somethingJoe McCarthy would say has any relevance in the 21st century.


Dumb fuck.
Spot on.

Laika the Space Dog wrote: Read this.

McCarthy was right.
Common knowledge since the fall of the Soviet Union and the declassification of the Venona Intercepts in 1995.

McCarthy, while "right", had no way of knowing that his accusations were even totally accurate. He was just mopping the floor with the truth. He had total proof for his accusations. Just because all of the people he labeled "communists" were, in fact, communists makes him a real hero


Laika the Space Dog wrote:Apparently Spartakus' history teachers never got the memo and they filled his brain with Anti-McCarthy Hate Mush.

McCarthy was a patriot.

McCarthy was a veteran who flew many combat missions over Europe in WWII also.
I agree. He also was good friends with Bobby Kennedy.


Laika the Space Dog wrote:Spartakus never has and never will be.
I know. It's my destiny.


Laika the Space Dog wrote:It'll take many years of deprogramming to turn him into a functioning American citizen.

I'm a eunuch. I hope that helps.

Lone Stage Grip wrote:
Comrade Spartakus wrote: No, I'm just a Decider. And I've Decided to try to liberate yourbrain cells from the oppressive regime of GOP propaganda and itsindoctrination.


I'm a damn Independent,

Bill O'Reilly & Glenn Beck are my heroes


Lone Stage Grip wrote:and I independently think you're a dipshit.
What makes you think you're mentally qualified to make that judgment, LSG?


Lone Stage Grip wrote:At least the commies on here have something funny to say once in a while

I've seen maybe one thing that has actually been funny on here. The rest of their "humor" is outstanding


Lone Stage Grip wrote:AND they do their sisters.
Thanks for straightening me out.


Lone Stage Grip wrote:Go screw yourself Mr. Mediocre Democrat!
(and don't forget to take your homework with ya.)
Nice to see I've made friends during my time here.

Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Chimpy Spartahitler says:

You know, I'm a twenty year-old punk.

Commissarka Pinkie wrote:
No, I'm just a Decider. And I've Decided to try to liberate your braincells from the oppressive regime of GOP propaganda and itsindoctrination.


Hey, we never asked to be liberated!
I'm an ass


Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Don't you know oppressed people love to beoppressed, and that's why they never ask to be liberated? Yes,oppressed people are so happy to be enslaved, that they would neverdream of going against their Dear Leader. Why, they'd just as soon beshoved head first into a wood chipper or have the soles of their feetflogged or have their genitals electrically shocked (but not bewaterboarded--never waterboarded, OMG the horror!) than complain abouttheir Dear Leader's regime!
Sounds like the truth to me.


Commissarka Pinkie wrote:On the other hand, I can understand your desire to steal other people's brain cells.

What's a brain cell?
Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Try drilling for your own--oh, but they won'tlet you. Mustn't disturb all that empty pristine barren wastelandbetween your ears.
Speaking of barren wastelands, how is your squish mitten, doing, Pinkie?

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Pinkie, let Gollum have his little fun. His life will likely be aseries of writing proposals for "research grants" and other rubbish,which is of course a way to keep from working.

Thank you, ComTheo! I will continue to destroy any and all arguments that come before me. Good to know that I have your approval.

Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Oh, but Theocritus! Can't you see that what he's doing is immoral andillegal? Trying to "liberate" other people's brain cells when he'sreally stealing them!

Pinkie, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you love hearing yourself talk.

Commissarka Pinkie wrote:He's going to get himself into such a quagmire if he does that--especially if he has no clear exit strategy.

No, he needs to eliminate his dependence on other people's braincells and find an alternative source. I would recommend he try tappinginto his own resources for things like natural gas, and wind power forheat. They're cheaper, and of the same quality as what's fueling hisideas now.

Your metaphors are almost painful to read. I truly feel sorry for the bastard that tried to teach you how to make metaphors.

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Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Oh, but Theocritus! Can't you see that what he's doing is immoral and illegal? Trying to "liberate" other people's brain cells when he's really stealing them!

People can label acts with different words as they please. By him saying Liberating you hear stealing. When Bush said Operation: Iraqi Freedom I heard Operation: Iraqi Murder. It's all a matter of opinion.

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Nice to know I'm not alone in incurring the wrath of the retards loyal Cubees.

Rationality wrote:
Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Oh, but Theocritus! Can't you see that what he's doing is immoral and illegal? Trying to "liberate" other people's brain cells when he's really stealing them!

People can label acts with different words as they please. By him saying Liberating you hear stealing. When Bush said Operation: Iraqi Freedom I heard Operation: Iraqi Murder. It's all a matter of opinion.

While I agree with you that people labeling things that other people would label differently figures a lot into our "discussions", I disagree with your assertion about GWB's labeling of Operation: Iraqi Freedom. Saying shit like that is really out there. Makes me look like Jesse Helms.

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Pinkie, I must take exception to all this talk of liberating, stealing or in anywise molesting brain cells. Given my current state of existance, it is a topic I find most disturbing--particularly when the proposed liberator is apparently burning through them at an exceptional rate of speed.

As to this matter of opinion and labeling, I quite agree. It is one of our greatest assets, in fact. Labeling Ted Kennedy as the "Lion of the Senate" instead of "Drunken Wardheeler," for example. Or calling a mandatory taxpayer-funded health insurance scheme the "public option"--that one has been truly priceless. All opinions are equal (except of course for the ones that run contrary to our own).

 

 

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I'm not going to criticize your opinion on the Public Option, but could you back it up that it is taxpayer funded? Unless by tax-payer you mean that the people on it are tax-payers. I'm just wondering where this "it's taxpayer funded" is coming from.


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Ivan Betinov wrote:Pinkie, I must take exception to all this talk of liberating, stealing or in anywise molesting brain cells. Given my current state of existance, it is a topic I find most disturbing--particularly when the proposed liberator is apparently burning through them at an exceptional rate of speed.

I don't know what's scarier: The fact that your avatar is a brain in a jar, or the fact that you think that hurts my feelings.

Ivan Betinov wrote:As to this matter of opinion and labeling, I quite agree.

Nice to hear we can reach a civilized agree-

Ivan Betinov wrote:It is one of our greatest assets, in fact. Labeling Ted Kennedy as the "Lion of the Senate" instead of "Drunken Wardheeler," for example.

I don't know why I set myself up for failure. Or why I think anyone here has any sort of respect for the recently deceased?

Ivan Betinov wrote:Or calling a mandatory taxpayer-funded health insurance scheme the "public option"--that one has been truly priceless.

You sound like you belong with those seniors at town hall meetings who scream "keep government out of Medicare!".

Ivan Betinov wrote:All opinions are equal

Reading the "opinions" of the people on this board has convinced me otherwise.

Ivan Betinov wrote:(except of course for the ones that run contrary to our own).

To paraphrase our current president: "I don't oppose different opinions, I oppose stupid opinions."


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Do you people ever have the feeling that being something other than giant jackasses might be worth trying?

We can't help it, it is in our D.N.A


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One of the proposals on the table to fund the public option in HR3200 is a tax levied on persons who choose to do without health insurance--that is to say individuals who can afford insurance, but have decided to spend their money elsewhere (a fairly short-sighted decision true, but it is their money). Another proposal in the bill levies a tax on employers who do not provide a health insurance plan for their employees. A third proposal has been floated to remove the current tax exempt status of insurance premiums paid on behalf of employees by employers as part of the benefit package for both salaried and wage positions. This is what I mean by "taxpayer funded."

 

 


 

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I'm sure that can't be all the proposals, however i see where you're getting it now. But by seeing as how they are all still just proposals it isn't a taxpayer funded program yet, if it will be or not i do not know. But as of now its still in the air.


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Could someone explain to me what the thing is on some of my posts with the head of some guy with bat wings? Or why it keeps popping up?

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Very interesting questions comrade prole. We were wondering the same thing ourselves! We are perplexed, beguiled, and bewildered at this strange creatures presence.

Ever since Dear Leader, His Holiness, Sixth Cousin of Mantuba, President for Life, Idi Amin visited the Kremilin, this strange creature has been following our Dear Trapezoidal Comrade Cube. We are certain there is some sort of CIA plot involved in kidnapping Comrade Cube and we believe this Bat Boy is involved. Luckily, our KGB agents have manage to spoof this nocturnal Megachiroptera with Psychological Warfare, otherwise, comrade prole, we would be deeply deeply concerned.


Thank you for your concern,

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Commodore Snoogie Woogums wrote:
Do you people ever have the feeling that being something other than giant jackasses might be worth trying?

We can't help it, it is in our D.N.A

Seems to be that way.

Commodore Snoogie Woogums wrote:
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Sad to say that this is the closest thing you've ever done that approaches the term "clever."

Ivan Betinov wrote:One of the proposals on the table to fund thepublic option in HR3200 is a tax levied on persons who choose to dowithout health insurance--that is to say individuals who can affordinsurance, but have decided to spend their money elsewhere (a fairlyshort-sighted decision true, but it is their money). Another proposalin the bill levies a tax on employers who do not provide a healthinsurance plan for their employees. A third proposal has been floatedto remove the current tax exempt status of insurance premiums paid onbehalf of employees by employers as part of the benefit package forboth salaried and wage positions. This is what I mean by "taxpayerfunded."

Thank you, Ivan Betinov, for answering Rationality's question nice and-

Ivan Betinov wrote:Undergraduates are funny.

It's too much to ask isn't it? OK, well at least you gave an accurate, insightful response. Thank you for giving me a sliver of hope.

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I'm sure that can't be all the proposals, however i see whereyou're getting it now. But by seeing as how they are all still justproposals it isn't a taxpayer funded program yet, if it will be or noti do not know. But as of now its still in the air.

The Embedding Douche Strikes Again!

Rationality wrote:Could someone explain to me what the thing is on some of my posts withthe head of some guy with bat wings? Or why it keeps popping up?

Don't worry about it, these guys like to think that they're funny. They don't like me because I tell them that they aren't.


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Rest assured, a government-provided health insurance or health care sytem will be taxpayer funded. It is the nature of such programs. Both Medicare and Medicaid were intended to be self-funding when they were introduced as part of the Great Society package by Lyndon Johnson in the mid-1960s. The plan was to collect premiums for these government health insurance platforms via payroll deductions. If you get a paycheck, you'll see these premiums in the "deductions" column, along with Social Security and other fees. The problem is that neither Medicare nor Medicaid has ever operated in the black. The health care costs of the current recipients are not being paid by the invested premiums they paid during their working lifetimes, but rather by a combination of the deductions being pulled from current wage earners and government borrowing. President Obama can assure us that government provided health insurance will be revenue neutral all day--as indeed LBJ promised in his day--but I will put my faith in the track record of these two model programs as a more reliable indicator of the probable funding future of HR3200.

 

 

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I'm not going to criticize your opinion on the Public Option, but could you back it up that it is taxpayer funded? Unless by tax-payer you mean that the people on it are tax-payers. I'm just wondering where this "it's taxpayer funded" is coming from.

Brilliant observation Comrade Rationality. This "taxpayer" idea is a total myth. Everything is free when you're a member of the party.
Free healthcare is free!
Doctors do not need paid, nor nurses, or pharmeceutical companies, medical supply companies, research and development...etc.
Who needs money?
Taxes? What taxes?
Free is free.

 

 

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Ivan Betinov wrote:Rest assured, a government-provided health insurance or health care sytem will be taxpayer funded. It is the nature of such programs. Both Medicare and Medicaid were intended to be self-funding when they were introduced as part of the Great Society package by Lyndon Johnson in the mid-1960s. The plan was to collect premiums for these government health insurance platforms via payroll deductions. If you get a paycheck, you'll see these premiums in the "deductions" column, along with Social Security and other fees. The problem is that neither Medicare nor Medicaid has ever operated in the black. The health care costs of the current recipients are not being paid by the invested premiums they paid during their working lifetimes, but rather by a combination of the deductions being pulled from current wage earners and government borrowing. President Obama can assure us that government provided health insurance will be revenue neutral all day--as indeed LBJ promised in his day--but I will put my faith in the track record of these two model programs as a more reliable indicator of the probable funding future of HR3200.

Nice to see that someone's capable of a reasonable argument. Bravo, Ivan Betinov.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:Rationality wrote
I'm not going to criticize your opinion on the Public Option, but couldyou back it up that it is taxpayer funded? Unless by tax-payer you meanthat the people on it are tax-payers. I'm just wondering where this"it's taxpayer funded" is coming from.


Brilliant observation Comrade Rationality. This"taxpayer" idea is a total myth. Everything is free when you're amember of the party.

Oh, Jesus. Here it comes.


Laika the Space Dog wrote:Free healthcare is free!
And Laika the Space Dog is a moron.


Laika the Space Dog wrote:Doctors do not need paid,
nor nurses,
or pharmeceutical companies, medical supply companies, research and development...etc.

Seeing as I have family members in the medical field, I take special offense to this one. This is not funny. Rationality asked a reasonable question & you respond with this idiotic tripe you call "satire". If you're going to try to be funny, then be funny.


Laika the Space Dog wrote: Who needs money?
Apparently, not Laika the Space Dog. I'll gladly take his rubles.


Laika the Space Dog wrote:Taxes? What taxes?
I want to see Laika say this to the IRS agents who will inevitably come to his doorstep after he tries to weasel out of paying the income tax by saying the 16th Amendment is illegal or the state he's in isn't part of the US or some other bullshit tax whiner argument.


Laika the Space Dog wrote:Free is free.
"I r idiot dog. This r idiot post." Is how I think this should have been summed up.

SIGNED,
THE "HARDWORKING COLLEGE STUDENT" TROLL


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Laika the Space Dog wrote
Doctors do not need paid,
nor nurses,
or pharmeceutical companies, medical supply companies, research and development...etc.



Seeing as I have family members in the medical field, I take special offense to this one. This is not funny. Rationality asked a reasonable question & you respond with this idiotic tripe you call "satire". If you're going to try to be funny, then be funny.
Wow, I bet your DNA can be traced to the Great Rift Valley and Barack Obama, you have family everywhere!
So fucking what? Thinned skinned and easily offended. Typical.
My mom was a nurse, shit-for-brains.
If you don't understand irony, I can't help with that. At this point, I don't think anybody can.
Everybody else here gets the joke.
I feel sorry for you.
You're an immature snot who got Dr. Spock instead of Dr. Strap.
Too bad. It shows.
I worked my way through college also. Do you think you're the first one?
You're special or do you have special needs that you're entitled to?
If so, what makes you special?
What are these entitlements?
Please list them.
I'm sure the list is infinite.

When you're done listing your unique specialness, meet me at the next MENSA conference, Super Genius, Hero of Poly Sci and Working Students Everywhere.

 

 


 

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Comrade Luscious Lenin -N- Thingies,

Comrade Snarkypants prolific meanderings bored The People's Director to tears, what with it's constant slandering and emotive Rationality.


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So we welcome him to Gulagotroll. If he wants serious debate (and S&M flying monkey flogging) this is the place to voice his concerns.

He failed Pandora's Box.

And died on The Mountain of Dear Leader Obama's Budget.

Nose Candy is an unearthly term to him, but we have the fweeling he knows a lot about it.

*Snnnnnnoooooorrrrrrt*

 

 

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Laika the Space Dog wrote
Doctors do not need paid,
nor nurses,
or pharmeceutical companies, medical supply companies, research and development...etc.



Seeing as I have family members in the medical field, I take special offense to this one. This is not funny. Rationality asked a reasonable question & you respond with this idiotic tripe you call "satire". If you're going to try to be funny, then be funny.
Wow, I bet your DNA can be traced to the Great Rift Valley and Barack Obama, you have family everywhere!

No, just an accomplished family, which unusual here.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:So fucking what? Thinned skinned and easily offended. Typical.

So, when I'm having an inbred retard unfunnily try to ridicule my family, I should sit back and take it? I don't think so.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:My mom was a nurse, shit-for-brains.

Then why did she eat all those paint chips when you were in utero?

Laika the Space Dog wrote:If you don't understand irony, I can't help with that. At this point, I don't think anybody can.
Everybody else here gets the joke.

"Joke" is the key word here. It's not a joke if it's not funny.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:I feel sorry for you.

Same here. I feel really badly for the parents that had to raise you and the people who had to put up with your shit constantly, Laika.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:You're an immature snot who got Dr. Spock instead of Dr. Strap.

Just because I wasn't beaten when I didn't parrot the Great Communicator's talking points doesn't mean that I'm an immature snot. Ragging on my parents' punishment methods does.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:Too bad. It shows.

I know, it's painfully clear that you lack the maturity to be trusted with scissors.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:I worked my way through college also.

Clown college does not count as college, Laika.

Laika the Special Dog wrote:Do you think you're the first one?
You're special or do you have special needs that you're entitled to?

Actually I do have special needs. And I never said I was the first one, AstroWhelp.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:If so, what makes you special?
What are these entitlements?
Please list them.

I think that everyone should be able to receive a college education, unlike some people apparently.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:I'm sure the list is infinite.

This isn't worth it. I don't think its right to hurt the mentally ill so badly like this. I think that I should just leave before I get blacklisted from ever working with the retarded.

Laika the Space Dog wrote:When you're done listing your unique specialness, meet me at the next MENSA conference, Super Genius, Hero of Poly Sci and Working Students Everywhere.

Not even going to bother. I'm just so exhausted.

Lenin 'n' Things wrote:Loooooooooser.

Nice to see you come out and admit it, LnT.

 

 

You know what, I'm done. I give up. I surrender. Are you happy?

Good job, you beat me. I'll let you go back to your neocon circlejerk.

 

 

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BwAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

There are no NEO-CONS here Mr. MEgloManiac Sec-PROG.

History Professors, Veterans, Artists, Mathematicians, Scientists, Psychologists... Yes.

Neo-Cons, NO.

I was just getting ready to give you your first assignment... and you give up?

Now what kind of Undergraduate are you?

 

 

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Don't Give up!

You were just getting interesting as to peoples thoughts as to what made you what you are.

I'm thinking you have A.D.H.D myself, you've exhibited all the classic signs of the dis-order.

 

 

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Comrade Rooster!

Now what kind of Undergraduate are you?
I'll tell you RR, the kind that can't find a date or a party on a Friday night.
Sad really.
Anti-social, Tourettes, and a touch of Aspergers.
That's his specialness.
I can't imagine 30 years ago spending my time on a Friday night, using ad hominum attacks on people who were obviously more mature, wiser, and older when there was so much else to do on campus.
I am heartened by the fact though he'll remain a virgin and never reproduce.
Even the sperm bank penalized him for early withdrawal, so there's no chance of that happening either.
Insufficient funds.

 

 


 

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[html]AbecedariusRex,

Maybe Charlie does surf, we're willing to give him a BIG BOARD to try.

Noble Space Dog,


It's just an undergraduate, be easy. Let's give this prole a chance to redeem himself here in the Gulagotrol.

I understand the school of Alinsky allows no quarter, but maybe Comrade Spartakus is reaching out. Maybe the re-education is just not fitting to him. Perhaps he is Commissar material and can help keep the people subjugated under Lord Obama. Maybe we just need to give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, he has made it all the way into the Gulagotrol! I fain to think of the last troll who made it this far.

So to his first test.

Comrade Spartakus,

Please read the following and give your response in full. Now we know it is long, and we know that attention spans have dropped from the Gettysburg Address (@ 4 hours) to Thelma and Louise (@ 1.5 hours), but were Hoping™ to see if you can make the grade.

<p class="TitleArticle">1 - What change? Everything new is well-forgotten old</p><p>Why is this president always doing the opposite of what needs to be done?</p><p>Instead of supporting Iranian protesters, he snubs them. Instead of snubbing the ousted Honduran would-be dictator, he invites him to Washington. Instead of leading the world, he apologizes to it. Instead of offering a new vision, he resurrects hoary clichés. Instead of promoting liberty, he bows to kings and hugs tyrants.</p><p>Some think he acts like an enchanted prince; others think he's a spoiled brat. But there's a method to this madness; its logic should be obvious to anyone familiar with antiquated leftist clichés, which Barack Obama seems to have smuggled into the White House without as much as pausing to brush aside the decades-old creepy cobwebs.</p><p>A Russian saying suggests that "everything new is well-forgotten old" - which may also explain the voting pattern of recent public school graduates who think that nothing existed before they were born. However, as far back as 500 BC, Heraclitus cautioned that you cannot step into the same river twice, for fresh waters are ever flowing in upon you. To paraphrase, Obama shouldn't apply old ideas to new circumstances, for the unintended consequences shall expose the absurdity of his leftist doctrine. Yet that is exactly where he is heading - and it could actually be the good news.<br> ~<br> Back in 1991, when the USSR fell under the weight of its own lies like a house of marked cards, the U.S. remained the only superpower standing in a world twisted by decades of Cold-War-era deceptions, threats, bribes, subversion, and propaganda. It was a world filled with virulent anti-Americanism brought forth by distorted perceptions and fallacies planted by the erstwhile KGB spymasters around the globe.</p><p>But instead of finishing the job and decontaminating the planet of hostile myths, America relaxed and began to enjoy the relative peace of the Clinton years. The president turned a blind eye to the gathering clouds, treating the growing violence as freak accidents. In the meantime, the lab-grown virus of anti-Americanism multiplied and mutated, especially in the Middle East.</p><p>When trouble finally came to the American soil, the Bush administration identified its source as twisted ideologies that were spreading in the absence of political freedom and economic opportunities. This problem could not be solved with the archaic Cold War-era stability doctrine, whereby America bribed and supported any government that promised alliance. That approach may have saved the world in the past, but in the post-Cold War era it had become both immoral and impractical, fostering government corruption and causing unnecessary resentment.</p><p>The old mentality had to go. It was now America's responsibility as a lone superpower, and victim of the attacks, to repair the world misshapen by the ideological warfare. This change in thinking became known as the Bush Doctrine. Predictably, America's attempts to untwist the twisted world caused a painful and hostile reaction, especially from those who benefited from the existing deformity.</p><p>Obama has rejected that change; for that he was cheered on by a generation who grew up believing that deformity is beauty and ideological lunacy is the norm. But instead of moving forward, Mr. Obama puts America's gears in reverse and regresses to a romanticized leftist image of the past in which the U.S.A. is typecast as the archetypal reactionary villain battling the forces of progress. Only in this remake of the cult Cold War classic, America finally sees the light, feels remorseful, and surrenders - to critical acclaim from anal-retentive leftists trained to feel guilty for every joyful moment of living in a capitalist society.</p><p>Reporting on President Obama's response to the Honduran government's deportation of the would-be dictator Manuel Zelaya, the<i> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/j ... ian</a></i> writes:</p><blockquote><p>The Obama administration, conscious of the U.S.'s long history of supporting coups against Latin American leftists condemned the overthrow. The secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said Washington's top priority was to restore full democratic and constitutional order in Honduras. Zelaya's removal had "evolved into a coup," she said.</p></blockquote><p>Leave it to the left-leaning <i>Guardian</i> writers to recognize their own ideology when they see it. At least they are honest enough to attribute Obama's position on Honduras to his outright acceptance of Cold War-era axioms and the presumption of America's guilt. Apparently for this very reason, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - who in her primary debates had promised never to give dictators a propagandistic platform by meeting with them - invited Zelaya to Washington and issued him a propagandistic platform.</p><p>But abandoning pro-American forces and propping up anti-American dictators can't really be what the word "change" meant to most voters during the elections. What is happening now looks more like restoring Cold War front lines and defecting to the other side, presumably in the name of correcting historical injustice. It's similar to the psychiatric method of regressing to an earlier stage of the patient's life in order to relive old traumatic experience with a more positive outcome.</p><p>The problem with that is, the ideas of Cold War-related injustice and guilt are the products of false conscience planted by elaborate propaganda. The picture that Obama is trying to reverse is an airbrushed, made-in-the-USSR fabrication. Flipping the wrong picture upside down doesn't make it right - it still is the wrong picture, only upside down.</p><p>Generated in the depths of KGB think tanks, the Cold War-era propaganda template is comprised of the following linked axioms:</p><ol><li>Socialism is "progress."</li><li>Aversion to "progress" is a sign of outmoded backward thinking.</li><li>All forward-thinking people are leftists.</li><li>Leftists always speak for all people.</li><li>People always unanimously support leftist leaders.</li><li>Leftists are always under assault from the well-organized capitalist enemy.</li><li>All workers and peasants hate capitalist exploiters.</li><li>Armed resistance to a leftist government can only conceivably be staged by CIA agents in the service of American imperialism.</li><li>Capitalists engage in relentless anti-socialist propaganda, subversion, and sabotage; they will commit any crime in order to kill hope and prevent the masses from liberation.</li><li>The dying non-socialist sector of the world is run by a criminal conspiracy of capitalist oligarchs operating from the United States (and sometimes from Israel when appropriate).</li> </ol> <p>Evidently, if President Obama didn't share these received views, he wouldn't have felt the need to apologize before the world for America's alleged wrongdoings - a gesture that could only reinforce such stereotypes. If his policies weren't driven by these tenets, he wouldn't be using the powers of the U.S. president to prop up the forces that oppose America's founding principles of liberty while denying support to those who want to live by such principles.</p><p><img src="/images/ColdWar_Obama_Unicorn.gif" width="288" height="407" hspace="8" vspace="5" align="right">The reason many Americans haven't realized it yet is that most media coverage is also born of the same old yellowed clichés.</p><p>And yet no media bias can obfuscate the fact, clearly demonstrated by events in Iran and Honduras, that even in the absence of U.S.-led conspiracies, anti-American tyrants are still not welcome, popular resistance still happens, and even when the U.S. president switches sides and pulls for the other team, people of the world still desire economic freedoms and individual rights - the only constant force that drives real progress.</p><p>The same people who chanted the mantra of "change" are having a hard time noticing the real change happening in the world today. Apparently, in their view, any change that contradicts the above template is either not happening, in which case it's a fabrication of imperialist propaganda, or being forced on the world against its wishes, in which case the perpetrator can only be the criminal, capitalist cabal at the heart of American imperialism with its long and ruthless arm of the CIA. Any mention of oil or gas in this context becomes undeniable proof of this theory.</p><p>In this sense, Obama's notion of "change" is not change at all, but rather a regression to a mythological past, which impedes the real change the world so desperately needs.</p>


<p class="maintitle">2 - Following Obama's quest into the magic world of mythology</p><p>How many of you, upon hearing about an overthrow of a leftist dictator, instinctively thought of a CIA plot?</p><p>How many, at least at some point in your lives, believed that aggressive U.S. meddling ignited hot spots on the world map? That any pro-U.S. leader of a small country is probably a CIA puppet? That the American model of individual liberty and capitalism was being imposed on the people of Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East against their will, and they might be happier with leftist tyrants?</p><p>These are the attitudes leftist propaganda is designed to create - but they may also be the result of an elitist presumption that people of the world cannot think for themselves and have no room in their souls for individual ambitions and achievements outside of what the government is giving them. Short of stating it explicitly, elitism implies that "the masses" are mindless, spiritless creatures without free will, always in need of the largesse of the state, and for their own good the state ought to nationalize the country's resources in order to feed its subjects.</p><p><img src="/images/ColdWar_Obama_Children.gif" width="500" height="373"></p><p>There is a reason why snobby elites on the Upper East Side of Manhattan generously donate to leftist causes and support leftist politicians. Snobs and radicals often act in accord because they are not opposites, as some believe, but rather spiritual cousins - equally despising "the bourgeois," sharing a low view of humanity as herd animals, and sorting people not on their individual merits but by color, income, occupation, ethnicity, gender, and any other characteristic except the content of their minds. Such beliefs have often served as a veiled excuse for tyranny.</p><p>This thinking is the direct opposite of the ideal of individual liberty, on which the United States was founded and which defines this country's exceptionalism. As such, elitist and leftist beliefs are downright un-American - a term that today has become a fighting word, used broadly by both <a target="_blank" href="https://newsok.com/u.s.-sen.-inhofe-cal ... ">right</a> and <a target="_blank" href="https://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/18/ ... /">left</a>, sometimes with a completely <a target="_blank" href="https://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/29/ ... ">opposite meaning</a>. Not to be outdone, snobs and radicals have also evolved a natural loathing for American "bourgeois" principles.</p><p>But the view of America as the command center of the international capitalist conspiracy is definitely not a product of natural evolution, but rather a foreign implant going back to the days of the Cold War.</p><p>And since Cold War perceptions continue to have such a negative effect on today's reality, we may have no other choice but to pause and reluctantly follow Obama's quest into the magic world of Cold War mythology to relive old legends. Only for us, a more positive outcome would mean not to place the Minotaur on the list of protected species, but rather to use real historical facts to guide us into the heart of the deceptive labyrinth and to slay the evil ideology that thrives on human sacrifice. Then, hopefully, we can all bid farewell to the painful past and finally move on to more peaceful and productive lives.</p><p>First of all, one cannot maintain intellectual and moral integrity while decrying U.S. presence in the hot spots of the Cold War, if one does not also mention the presence in the same hot spots of the Soviet espionage agencies, the KGB and the GRU. Their job was to initiate the hot spots and then fan the flames, spreading the fire to the rest of the world. The U.S. objectives were quite the opposite - to extinguish or at least to localize the fire - which made American involvement a necessary if often inadequate antidote.</p><p>To blame the hot spots on the U.S. presence would be as insane as to blame fires on firefighters because their trucks are always at the scene.</p><p>One's perception of America as a hero or a villain in this case depends on whether one thinks that socialism is indeed "progress of mankind." For believers in the leftist version of "progress," America will inevitably come off as evil, arrogant, or at least misguided. The workings of the leftist template are such that when a single axiom is accepted all other axioms follow, being links of one chain. The Soviet non-presence is also an axiom, an invisible and unspoken part of the template that allows deception to advance leftist causes - the end justifies the means.</p><p>Using this template is like riding a bicycle - once you learn, you never forget. It is simple and easy to work with. For example, applying its clichés to the American role in WWII, anyone with minimal rhetorical skills can come up with a news story headlined "The D-Day Massacre: Atrocities 'R' U.S.," describing Normandy as an unprovoked attack on a peaceful international resort full of disabled people on vacation from Germany. Try to disprove this news if the Nazi artillery is not even mentioned.</p><p>Likewise, it's impossible to disprove the leftist "history of American imperialism" without knowing that just about every Cold War conflict began as a premeditated KGB operation. Ridiculing "red scare" while withholding information about the Soviet involvement has proven to make the opponents tongue-tied and feeling like fools fighting with a shadow. That is why the substitution of facts with a revised history that minimizes or airbrushes the Soviet role in the Cold War is of such a crucial importance, helping the left to prevail in the larger propagandistic argument and win the hearts and minds of the general public.</p><p>Having come here from the USSR - a country whose government invented this strategy and lived by it - I was astonished by the abundance of leftist propagandistic clichés in the American mainstream media. The exclusion of the Soviet connection in any discussion of America's culpability is one of such clichés. It is a telltale sign of a prefabricated <a target="_blank" href="https://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimel ... <p>Where's the "imperialist propaganda" when you need it? The leftist propaganda encountered so little resistance in the land of the alleged "capitalist conspiracy" that an airbrushed version of history has almost universally replaced the truth in the media, education, and entertainment. The intended result is the widespread notion of America's guilt. One doesn't even need to be a leftist anymore to believe in this country's image as a violent empire controlled by greedy capitalist oligarchies that dictate its policies.</p><p>Since such beliefs make one an easy target of further leftist indoctrination and potential conversion, the incitement of anti-American hysteria has long become a major focus of leftist propaganda efforts. To this end, the radical left has gone as far as to join forces with Islamic extremists in a series of world-wide anti-American protest marches that blame all the world's violence on "U.S. imperialism." They also cooperate in less obvious areas such as disseminating depraved conspiracy theories or fabricating alleged "U.S. atrocities" in the Middle East and planting them in the media - attributing any bloodshed, regardless of its source, to the U.S. presence in the region. To the radical left, the War on Terror is little more than a convenient excuse to demonize America, proselytize, and recruit new members.</p><p>Why didn't the "cabal of capitalist oligarchies" move a finger to protect their alleged investments and stop the agitation and propaganda that ruined all they had worked for and exposed their existence? This is not the behavior one might expect from a greedy, conniving oligarch, is it? They surely don't make capitalist conspiracies like they used to - almost makes one lose faith in their existence.</p><p><img src="/images/ColdWar_Obama_Oligarchs_OvalOffice.gif" width="500" height="381"></p><p>In the days of the Cold War, as America was being branded as the single source of all global violence and misery, the USSR brazenly continued to sponsor subversive elements, guerilla movements, and leftist dictators. It continued to use its enormous global spy network to transfer hundreds of millions of dollars, often in the form of briefcases filled with cash, to finance uprisings, sabotage, assassinations, misinformation, as well as to recruit agents and to corrupt democratic elections in foreign countries. This was all done in the name of spreading Marxism-Leninism and exporting the revolution to other continents. And that was besides the generous donations given to puppet communist parties of the world, including within the United States and Israel.</p><p>With these facts withheld, America's behavior may understandably strike one as being unhinged and even <a target="_blank" href=">. When resistance to belligerent communism gets dismissed as a probable cause, the vacuum is filled with off-the-wall conspiracies involving global oligarchies, a military-industrial complex, maniacal CIA directors, and the preferred bugaboo of the left - greedy American imperialism.</p><p>The Afghan conflict didn't begin with the Soviet invasion in 1979. It started a year earlier, when a handful of KGB puppets in Kabul staged a "people's revolution" and declared that the coup was "unanimously supported by the Afghan workers and peasants." Only when they failed to defend themselves from the same people whom they claimed to represent did Moscow reluctantly send in the army. The soldiers - barely trained young conscripts from Soviet towns and villages - were told they would be performing "the duty of international solidarity" on the invitation from the "people's government." Before long, a pile-up of stale propagandistic clichés resulted in an inexcusable, criminal slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents on both sides, turning this previously quiet country into a permanent disaster area and a global hot spot for years to come.</p><p>At about the same time, across the border a pro-American democratic government under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi of Iran was being undermined and discredited in a massive campaign of agitation and sabotage designed and coordinated from Moscow. The local leftists, some of them KGB agents, were laying the groundwork for a similar "people's revolution" in Tehran. But the Islamic radicals moved in first, seized the power, and threw the communists in jail, correctly seeing them as the most dangerous competition at the time - without so much as a thank you for helping the revolution. The resulting Islamic Republic of Iran has become a rogue state ruled by an oppressive theocratic regime that sponsors terror, destabilizes the world, and is now developing a nuclear weapon.</p><p>The civil war in Yemen in the 1970s - known as the Middle Eastern "Vietnam" - was yet another Moscow attempt to set a foothold in the Middle East. It turned into a long proxy war between the superpowers that split the country in half. In the south, the radical Marxist government of the puppet People's Democratic Republic of Yemen was backed by the Soviet navy stationed in its sea ports. Incidentally, this is also where the bin Laden family lived, one of many Yemeni clans radicalized by this conflict, just as the Afghani clans were radicalized by the Soviet occupation.</p><p>Using Cuba as a foothold in Latin America, Kremlin emissaries destabilized this traditionally anti-communist region by subverting its labor unions, brainwashing its students, igniting class hatred, and setting off a series of coups, bloody guerrilla wars, and corrupt elections. Their presence was invariably followed by humanitarian end economic disasters, starting with Cuba and on to Chile, Grenada, Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Peru, Bolivia, and Guatemala.</p><p>Not exactly paragons of prosperity themselves, the Soviet bloc countries spent lavishly on promoting pacifist movements in the west, while spending even more to finance foreign invasions. Communist guerrillas of El Salvador, for example, received Soviet and East European weapons and military assistance not just from neighboring Cuba and Nicaragua, but even from such far-away Soviet allies as Libya and Vietnam.</p><p>Vietnam was, of course, the most prominent made-in-the-USSR hot spot and the biggest success story of the Soviet deception. It fell to communist rule as a result of a victorious worldwide propaganda campaign that demonized America as a violent colonialist aggressor, thereafter quickly becoming a starving socialist dictatorship with a failing economy.</p><p>Setting off one conflict after another, the USSR never failed to blame the resulting violence on American presence and the CIA, while positioning itself as a force for peace and progress. But the fact is, the CIA was created in 1947 only as a response to the worldwide presence of the KGB, which by then had already been in the business of subversion for thirty years. And although the CIA was occasionally successful in repairing the damage and preempting the export of totalitarianism, it was having a hard time catching up with a more experienced and better equipped opponent, all the while being exposed to harsh media criticism at home.</p><p>The use of mass media was grotesquely asymmetrical. Inside the Soviet Union, even mentioning the KGB in the press without government authorization was a taboo. But the KGB itself took full advantage of free speech in the western world, using free media to incite anti-Americanism and to frame the CIA as a criminal organization.</p><p>Only when the KGB archives became briefly open to the press in the times of Glasnost did the Soviet people find out that as they struggled economically their government had been compulsively spending money on wars, civil unrest, and bribes to foreign leaders and opinion makers whose names they never even heard. I remember reading at the time in a Moscow paper that even Nelson Mandela, after leaving prison, moved into a new villa built by his wife Winnie with the money transferred to her via KGB channels. Surely that wasn't the only reason for Mandela's anti-Americanism, but what's wrong with a little token of gratitude at the expense of Soviet dwellers of communal apartments?</p><p>Decades of subversion and payoffs eventually corrupted the international scene to a point where third world governments were openly profiting from the duel of superpowers by milking both cows and extracting favors for switching sides. Among such political weathercocks were Gamal Abdel Nasser, Saddam Hussein, and Yasser Arafat, just to name a few.</p><p>And while the world media never stops blaming the U.S. for training Islamic extremists in Afghanistan, a much greater <a target="_blank" href="https://www.globalpolitician.com/23436- ... ia">Soviet role</a> in the rise of Islamic terrorism remains buried in the archives. If the reason for such unequal coverage is other than compliance with anti-American leftist clichés, I'd like to hear it. Until then I'll continue to believe that this information is omitted to keep alive the leftist "<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Ju ... >America's chickens are coming home to roost</a>" formula, according to which this country is deservedly suffering the consequences of its own "imperialist ambitions."</p><p>The unsustainable generosity in sponsoring global anti-Americanism was one of the Soviet regime's many obsessive behaviors that hastened its own demise. If anti-American lies were anthrax, one might say the USSR had left behind enough stockpiles to exterminate all life on earth many times over. Strategically positioned in all corners of the world and left unattended, some of the accumulated deceptions deteriorated naturally over the years, some were moved in bulk for recycling to countries like Iran and Venezuela, and the rest were looted by ragtag bands of anti-American <a target="_blank" href="https://www.billayers.org/">enthusiasts</a> with varying degrees of professionalism.</p>


<p class="maintitle">3 - Keeping anti-Americanism alive</p><p><b>(A U.S. President, Raised on KGB Propaganda)</b></p><p><img src="/images/AntiAmericanism2.jpg" width="305" height="389"></p><p>Anti-Americanism is a relatively recent phenomenon.</p><p>The elites may have always despised American passion for individual liberties, but most common people admired America for exactly that. Upon gaining independence, a number of nations - from Uruguay to Greece to Togo to Malaysia - modeled their flags after the U.S. flag. Preambles of most Latin American constitutions closely resemble that of the U.S. Constitution, and the Latin American hero Simon Bolivar himself was an admirer of the United States and a believer in libertarianism and free markets, regardless of how his name and legacy are now being twisted by Hugo Chavez.</p><p>The important fact about modern-day anti-Americanism is that it spreads almost exclusively among impressionable cultural elites who are most exposed to ideological clichés delivered through media and educational channels.</p><p>It would be absurd to presume that people of the world go to bed every night loving dictators and hating the United States. Obviously, the first conscious thing on the mind of a European, an African, or an Asian as they wake up in the morning is not how to survive another day of "America's economic and cultural imperialism." And since anti-Americanism is incompatible with common sense that guides our daily lives, people must be reminded of it every day to keep it alive. That is the burden that radical intellectuals have taken upon themselves, dispensing daily quotas of leftist clichés to the "unwashed masses" down below.</p><p>Thus, Oliver Stone is reportedly making a <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nydailynews.com/latino/2009 ... ocumentary about Hugo Chavez</a>, whom he describes as an "energetic, principled champion of change in Latin America" and hopes, in Stone's words, to "capture the spirit of his drive to roll back U.S. influence." The ability to claim originality while working for decades from the same moth-eaten template makes Mr. Stone an Oscar-winning genius. Is there a chance that in the process of glorifying what he calls the region's "liberation from the United States," the legendary director might display authentic originality by interviewing, not a leftist, but a hero of anti-Marxist resistance? Can the devastation inflicted on Latin America by socialist policies persuade Mr. Stone to look beyond the worn-out clichés? We can only wish.</p><p>If the convention requires this "unconventional" genius to lionize America's enemies, it's what he does - not more and not less. Until recently, Stone was <a target="_blank" href="https://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/de ... rumored</a> to be considering a similar anti-American documentary with the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but the recent insurgency against this man in his own country may have convinced Stone to kill the plan as too obviously absurd.</p><p>In the heyday of the Cold War, both knowingly and unknowingly, such radical intellectuals served as a reliable conduit for anti-U.S. propaganda generated in the think tanks of Moscow. The technical details were described by a number of defectors from the Eastern Bloc intelligence agencies, the highest-ranking of whom was <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Mihai_Pacepa">Ion Mihai Pacepa</a>, acting chief of Romania's espionage service.</p><blockquote><p>"The whole foreign policy of the Soviet-bloc states, indeed its whole economic and military might, revolved around the larger Soviet objective of destroying America from within through the use of lies," Pacepa writes. "The Soviets saw disinformation as a vital tool in the dialectical advance of world Communism. ... Many 'Ban-the-Bomb' and anti-nuclear movements were KGB-funded operations, too. I can no longer look at a petition for world peace or other supposedly noble cause, particularly of the anti-American variety, without thinking to myself, 'KGB.'</p><p>"As far as I'm concerned, the KGB gave birth to the antiwar movement in America," Pacepa continues. "KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, 'our most significant success.'"</p></blockquote><p>The fraudulent image of America as the "violent imperialist aggressor" was picked up by the Western media, disseminated through activist groups, and found its way into policy making, exemplified by John Kerry's 1971 "Genghis Khan" testimony before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, where Kerry almost verbatim <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nationalreview.com/comment/ ... ">repeated the KGB fabrications</a>, later recognized by Pacepa as his own subversive product.</p><blockquote><p>"KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility," Pacepa recalls. "One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and 'news reports' about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. ... All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world."</p></blockquote><p>Our sensory organs may perceive the same reality, but our knowledge of the world depends on how our minds interpret our perceptions and connect the dots. A successful propaganda campaign modifies that process by inserting, in a manner of speaking, a prefabricated optical lens that redirects incoming information and rearranges the existing dots. It may remain unnoticed for a while because the distortion affects limited designated areas - in this case, political ideology. One still is the same person, except that when he thinks of political, economic, or social issues, lies suddenly become perceived as the truth, right as wrong, good as evil, enemies as friends, and so on.</p><p>Ultimately, the most successful, moral, and just country in the history of humanity becomes perceived as a violent monster feeding on the bodies of innocent victims.</p><p>Caught off guard by such a procedure and lacking intellectual tools to detect it, any decent red-blooded man will naturally be enraged by America's "injustice," wish for its defeat, and sometimes even join its enemies. Assuming that in 1971 John Kerry was a decent man and his testimony to the Senate Committee was delivered in good faith, he must have had that lens implanted in his brain for a long time. The Vietnam War was won by Moscow, not on the battlefield, but in the information warfare. And that was only the beginning.</p><p>This is how Pacepa remembers it:</p><blockquote><p>During my last meeting with Andropov, he said, wisely, "now all we have to do is to keep the Vietnam-era anti-Americanism alive." Andropov was a shrewd judge of human nature. He understood that in the end our original involvement would be forgotten, and our insinuations would take on a life of their own. He knew well that it was just the way human nature worked.</p></blockquote><p>Andropov's strategy must still be working if even today Barack Obama believes in these insinuations strongly enough to apologize before the world for the perceived history of "<a target="_blank" href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... ">American arrogance</a>."</p><p>During his recent visit to Moscow, President Obama <a target="_blank" href="https://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunc ... <p>America supports ... the restoration of the democratically-elected president of Honduras, <i>even though </i>he has strongly opposed American policies.</p></blockquote><p>But didn't Obama himself oppose American policies just as strongly and from the same ideological perspectives? His own history suggests that saying "<i>because</i> he has strongly opposed American policies" would have been a more honest use of conjunctions.</p><p>From his communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis to the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, Barack Obama has always gravitated towards people holding radical leftist views akin to those of Zelaya. He eagerly promoted leftist ideology as an ACORN activist and later when he taught and developed <a target="_blank" href="https://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Z ... heories</a> that opposed the American system of individual liberties in favor of unsustainable group entitlements at the expense of producers - theories that advocated placing the people under the controlling "care" of the state.</p><p>And since such views are part of the ideological template that vilifies America and lionizes its enemies, Obama's instinctive reaction was to back Zelaya and throw a <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nypost.com/seven/07222009/p ... ">lifeline to Ahmadinejad</a>.</p><p>Like John Kerry at the Senate hearings, President Obama may be acting in good faith, but his processing of reality is just as impaired by the same "metaphorical deformation." As a result, the leader of the free world strays across the frontlines and joins the Marxist leaders Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro, Evo Morales, and Daniel Ortega, at least two of whom - Castro and Ortega - were committed Soviet clients.</p><p>The Soviet Union may have self-destructed in 1991, but the seeds of intellectual deception it had planted gave such a bountiful crop that seventeen years later America has elected a leader who is guided by received notions designed to subdue and destroy this country. Apparently, the rumors about America's victory in the Cold War appear to have been greatly exaggerated.</p>



<p class="maintitle">4 - Whose sovereignty is Obama respecting?</p><p><img src="/images/ColdWar_Obama_CIA_Dissonance2.jpg" width="500" height="383"></p><p>In his speech to graduate students in Moscow, Obama <a target="_blank" href="https://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ ... e><p>State sovereignty must be a cornerstone of international order. ... States must have the right to borders that are secure, to their own foreign policies.</p></blockquote><p>This sounds very statesmanlike, except that without defining the true meaning of sovereignty it becomes an empty word and a pawn in the games of political demagogues - especially when no distinction is made between a democratic state and a tyranny.</p><p>In theory, Obama's position amounts to moral equivalency between a democracy and an autocratic rogue state. In practice, it gives the roguish Iranian regime added legitimacy and protection, while leaving the democratic Honduras exposed to threats from Ortega and Chavez, aggravated by diplomatic pressure from the United States, the United Nations, the European Union, and the 35-member Organization of American States.</p><p>The idea of unconditional sovereignty is, in fact, a clever ploy used time and again during the Cold War to advance leftist dictatorships and undermine free democracies. The trick is simple - it takes advantage of the decency of those who honestly abide by international law, preventing them from interfering in the affairs of tyrants who abide by nothing except the expansion of their ill-gained power.</p><p>While free democracies invest mostly in the creation of goods and services, tyrants invest their nation's capital in the creation and dissemination of propaganda. It pays off handsomely in the form of moral support from the brainwashed "global community" when a tyrannical regime takes over another country allegedly "to advance progress in the interests of all people."</p><p>On the eve of every major state holiday, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) used to publish a list of up to a hundred official talking points that covered all aspects of its domestic and foreign agendas. Printed in the form of slogans on the front pages of <i>Pravda</i> and local newspapers, they were meant to be enthusiastically announced on the radio, amplified during the state-sponsored "spontaneous" demonstrations, written on propagandistic posters, and memorized by schoolchildren and college students.</p><p>Endlessly rewritten and reshuffled to reflect the "current truth" about the ever changing party line, these talking points were always consistent with one and the same Orwellian template. The socialist USSR and its allies were the forces for peace and progress, while any resistance to their military operations, especially coming from the capitalist U.S.A. and its allies, represented "imperialism, reaction and war."</p><p>Below are a few excerpts of such slogans prepared for the 60th anniversary of the "Great October Socialist Revolution." They concern international relations and are addressed to the "people of the world." Compare them to the essence of Obama's statements:</p><blockquote><p>Peoples of the world! Strengthen the efforts in the struggle for the complete liquidation of the results of Israeli aggression, for the establishment of just peace for all the governments and peoples of the Middle East, against imperialist interference in the internal affairs of Arab nations!</p><p>Peoples of the world! Struggle for the deepening of the lessening of international tension, for its expansion to all continents! Expose the efforts of the forces of aggression, revanchism, and reaction - enemies of peace and the peoples' defense!</p><p>Peoples of the world! Strive so that the unacceptability of the use of force becomes the law in international relations and nuclear weapons are forever banned! Strengthen the struggle to end the arms race and to achieve universal and complete disarmament!</p><p>Long live the Leninist foreign policy of the Soviet Union - the policy of peace and friendship of peoples, the unity of all forces struggling against imperialism, reaction and war!</p></blockquote><p>Anyone familiar with the Soviet propaganda methods knew that the same "peoples of the world" would be in big trouble should their governments take these Byzantine formulations at face value. But President Obama seems to believe the template enough to reiterate its points in Moscow - of all places!</p><p>It's foolish to expect a fair game from forces whose moral code is limited to "the end justifies the means." That is why the implication that "all sovereignties are equal" is a loss for law-abiding democracies and a win for leftist expansionists, whose only measure of legitimacy is the advancement of their perverted idea of the "common good." Successfully applied by the Soviet communists to bamboozle Western diplomats, it has now become a preferred con of every dictator in the business of advancing socialism, communism, fascism, Islamism, or any other cockamamie heresy of the archetypal collectivist tyranny.</p><p>And while Obama's speech was also meant to cover the sovereignties of Ukraine and Georgia, it does nothing to protect these countries from Russia's meddling, but gives the Russian leaders a chance to call Obama on his own word if in the future he raises an issue with their policies.</p><p>Abiding by his own declarations, Obama would never have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan, thus allowing both Saddam and the Taliban to violate the sovereignty of their own citizens and other countries, invading neighbors and training gangs of international terrorists. Today this approach practically gives assurances to the dictators of Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and other rogue regimes that the United States will "respect their sovereignty" regardless of their propensity to support terrorism, develop nuclear weapons, and threaten to invade neighboring democracies.</p><p>But whose sovereignty is he really respecting? When a free democratic society protects the individual sovereignty of each member, the sovereignties of all citizens add up to the entire nation's collective sovereignty. But in a dictatorship where individual sovereignty is non-existent, where no one is safe from the government's arbitrary powers, collective sovereignty adds up to exactly nothing. The only sovereignty Obama's approach protects is that of the tyrant, who is the single sovereign individual in the entire nation.</p><p>The 2003 U.S.-led invasion didn't violate the sovereignty of the Iraqi citizens because it is impossible to violate that which doesn't exist. It only violated the sovereignty of Saddam Hussein and his two sons, Uday and Qusay - and deservedly so. Even Saddam's closest henchmen had no personal sovereignty and lived in constant fear of his whims, just like Stalin's henchmen before them.</p><p>Likewise, it would be impossible for America to "steal the Iraqi oil" because it had been long ago stolen by Saddam, who treated it as his personal asset and used the proceeds to build palaces, finance terrorism, develop weapons, bribe foreign leaders, corrupt the UN, and do other things that had nothing to do with the interests of the Iraqis.</p><p>But with America's help, the Iraqi people have now regained both their oil and their sovereignty. And this time, their national sovereignty is absolutely legitimate because it is comprised of the sovereignties of millions of free individuals, who elect their government and are protected by law from its arbitrary dictate. And while their democracy is far from perfect, the Iraqis already are a world apart from the lawlessness of Saddam's national-socialist regime.</p><p>In contrast, the ousting of President Manuel Zelaya, whose goal was to impose a dictatorship on Honduras, was done precisely to protect the individual sovereignties of all Hondurans. An attempt to return him to power as once advocated by Mr. Obama would, in fact, violate the sovereignty of every Honduran, who would lose personal liberties as a result of Zelaya's leftist policies.</p><p>In the end, national sovereignty cannot be unconditional. Its condition is simple: the presence of an elected government that acts in the interests of its people, maintains the rule of law, and respects individual sovereignty of every one of its citizens.</p><p>This approach eliminates the false premise of moral equivalency and makes painfully clear that the right course of action with regards to Iran and the right course of action with regards to Honduras should be the exact opposites of what President Obama has chosen.</p>

<p class="maintitle">5 - We are the children: sing in unison to save a dictator</p><p>If the American society is constantly torn apart by ideological confrontations, why is it so hard for some Americans to imagine that people in other countries can be just as divided?</p><p>Any society, even the freest democracy, has likely autocrats willing to take advantage of others, latent victims willing to give up freedom in exchange for entitlements, and budding free people willing to resist tyranny and defend their liberties. The ratio of these groups in each country may be different, but no nation is ever unanimous - despite all assurances to the contrary by dictators who claim to speak for all people.</p><p>Statist regimes need unanimity to justify their existence. If a government's survival depends on unanimity, it will inevitably end up repressing free speech. That alone makes statism an unacceptable form of government. Any government's claim to speak for all people automatically makes it a suspect, just as unanimous voting is a symptom of tyranny.</p><p>The unanimity of the Soviet people was a myth. Measuring internal opposition in the absence of freedom may be impossible, but the trickle of dissidents and defectors should have been a good clue. Yet the Western media unquestionably repeated the regime's official lie that all Soviet people were united behind the Communist Party and its policies.</p><p>As false data leads to false conclusions, benevolent Western intellectuals often shrugged off the Soviet tyranny as "the choice of the people," explaining it away with outlandish nonsense like "the mysterious Russian character" or "the collectivist nature of the Slavic soul," which was a patent absurdity, especially considering that not all people in the Eastern Bloc were Russians or even Slavs. The same thinking prompted less benign people to demonize all Russians, imagining them as lazy and bloodthirsty brutes. Ironically, the latter opinion I mostly heard from elitist champions of the collectivist utopia, who despised the USSR for giving communism a bad name by having turned such a beautiful idea into a monstrosity due to some alleged ethnic deficiency.</p><p>Apparently they believe it could have worked with a "better" ethnic group!</p><p>As a rule, these intellectuals religiously challenged every bit of their own capitalist system, but the one thing they didn't challenge was the myth that the Soviet government spoke for its people, acted in their interests, and had their unanimous support. "I hope the Russians love their children too," crooned Sting, as if there was any connection between what the Russians loved and what the Soviet government did. Further showing a lack of any sense, Sting claimed in the same song that he didn't believe Reagan, that "there is no monopoly in common sense," that "we share the same biology regardless of ideology," and "there's no such thing as a winnable war." In other words, all things being relative and all people being mindless biological units anyway, the free world might as well give in to the tyrants ruling over a gigantic gulag, whose voiceless inmates, Sting hoped, loved their children.</p><p>This wouldn't be so pathetic if many Western politicians didn't follow similar logic and form similar opinions - exactly what the myth of the Soviet "unanimity" was meant to accomplish.</p><p>No one doubts today that there had been no unity in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. But on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion, activist Western media and radical intellectuals eagerly parroted Hussein's claim of a 100 percent Iraqi vote in his support. Not that anyone believed such an improbable number; the argument rather was that the Iraqis would surely forget their quarrels and unite behind their leader to defend their national dignity from "illegal occupation." Yet the Iraqis didn't put up a serious fight. Apparently, they had little to defend since their dignity and much of everything else had already been stripped away from them by Saddam. But at the time the myth of Iraqi unity left a sizeable dent in public support of U.S. policies.</p><p>Today, a new, democratic Iraq has become a force for good in the Middle East, having changed the region's ideological balance in favor of democracy and freedom. And yet not a single vocal opponent of the Bush doctrine, including Barack Obama himself, has retracted his prior statements intended to prevent such an outcome.</p><p>I happened to be in Denver during the 2008 Democratic Convention. And even though I didn't attend Obama's famous speech at the stadium with Greek columns, I spent some time at the local Civic Center Park observing extravagant political rallies and protest marches, most of them with a marked anti-war bent. The most conspicuous production there was a mosque-like pavilion made of translucent silk sheets with photographs of happy Iranian people going about their daily lives.</p><p><img src="/images/events/Denver08/Iran_Dome_2.jpg" width="500" height="355"></p><p>In the words of its author, young American photographer <a target="_blank" href="https://www.picturesofyouiran.com/learn.html">Tom Loughlin</a>, the exhibit was intended to "transcend the issue of Iranian-American relations" by reminding viewers of the "significant effect that American misperceptions might have on Iranians and on Persian culture," and to give them "the sense that something beautiful is in jeopardy."</p><p><img src="/images/events/Denver08/Iran_Artist.jpg" width="500" height="379"></p><p>The author stood nearby with a camcorder and recorded the viewers' reactions. I offered mine, saying on camera that, objectively, his artistic talent and the money paid to finance it were being used to prop up the Iranian regime with a propagandistic bait-and-switch trick straight from the Soviet playbook. The handsome, eye-catching Persian faces that supposedly represented Iran were the bait. But the faces of those who would gain most from the positive PR message were not on the pictures. That's because the true beneficiaries of this show were the ugly, America-hating mullahs who oppressed their own people, sponsored terrorism, destabilized the world, advocated the destruction of Israel, and were building a nuclear bomb. And therein was the switch.</p><p><img src="/images/events/Denver08/Iran_People.jpg" width="400" height="311"></p><p>No one doubted that Iranians could be handsome and "love their children too." The problem was that the people in the pictures didn't speak for their tyrannical regime and the regime didn't speak for them, nor did it represent their interests. They themselves were hostages to insane policies of their unelected leaders. Many Iranians would surely prefer to be liberated and live in the modern world rather than be sacrificed as human shields by the mullahs pursuing a medieval theology. It was nothing short of depravity to showcase sanitized images of the victims in order to sustain a regime that brutalized them.</p><p><img src="/images/events/Denver08/Iran_Protester.jpg" width="500" height="382"></p><p>I don't begrudge the photographer for not including my comment in the <a target="_blank" href="https://www.picturesofyouiran.com/video.html">released video</a>. But I was proven right when ten months later the same Iranians - looking much like the models in the exhibit - poured into the streets of Tehran and other cities in massive anti-government rallies, often risking their lives, to protest against the ugly mullahcracy.</p><p>That surely shattered any illusion of peaceful unanimity put on by the regime's propaganda. Perhaps Mr. Loughlin may do some good by moving his Iranian pavilion to the White House lawn to give Barack Obama "the sense that something beautiful is in jeopardy," because the U.S. president seems to have chosen to remain uninformed.</p><p>Reportedly the Iranian dissidents expected to receive support, or at least encouragement from the American president. But the "warmonger" Bush is no longer in office, and the "peace-loving" Obama isn't interested in rocking the boat, flexing American muscles, or doing anything else that might upset the established leftist narrative and pigeonhole him together with Bush, Reagan, and other "imperialist villains" of yore. Stuck in the parochial past and learning about the outside life from myths, Obama prefers his Iranians sanitized and united behind their own America-hating government, as the old leftist legend says they should.</p><p>In contrast, the democratic government of Honduras isn't attempting to put on a show of unity. The Honduran society is openly divided, with a small minority of leftist protesters clamoring for the return of the would-be dictator. Yet the "unanimity" trick is still being played against the Hondurans - not from within, but from outside its borders - as leftist leaders and sympathetic media are trying to present the handful of local Marxists as ones who speak for all people. A pretense that, to them at least, provides a moral justification for their demands to restore Zelaya.</p><p>But Honduras has a history of standing its own ground and defending its sovereignty. Researching this story, I interviewed J. Michael Waller, professor of International Communication at the Institute of World Politics in Washington, D.C.:</p><blockquote><p>"The Left has always had a grudge against this conservative and anti-communist nation," explains Waller. "Leftists never had a chance in Honduras, because the locals would invariably kill any Cuban- or Soviet-trained radicals who would try to set up a revolutionary movement. The United States or CIA had nothing to do with repressing the Left there; the Hondurans proved perfectly capable of doing it on their own."</p></blockquote><p>And yet, according to the<i> Guardian</i>, Obama's support of Zelaya is motivated by his perceived guilt for "the United States' long history of supporting coups against Latin American leftists." At the same time, renowned U.S. constitutional lawyer Miguel Estrada, who is a native of Honduras, has no such qualms. Having real - not mythological - knowledge of Honduran people, history, and law, Estrada is <a target="_blank" href="https://www.humanevents.com/article.php ... nvinced</a> that the Honduran military and Supreme Court acted within their rights. The only problem, he says, is that instead of deporting the pajama-clad Zelaya to Costa Rica, "they should have just put him in jail."</p>[/html]

 

 

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[html]<p class="maintitle">6 - "The CIA did it": conspiracy theories in the service of the "common good"</p><p><img src="/images/ColdWar_Obama_CIA_Trashing.jpg" width="570" height="313"></p><p>Perhaps the most stomach-turning recurrence of Yuri Andropov's anti-American narrative is Osama bin Laden's 2007 <a target="_blank" href="https://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives ... htm">taped speech</a>, in which the leader of al-Qaeda recycled Vietnam-era leftist legends, applying them to Iraq:</p><blockquote><p>In the Vietnam War, the leaders of the White House claimed at the time that it was a necessary and crucial war, and during it, Rumsfeld and his aides murdered two million villagers. And when Kennedy took over the presidency and deviated from the general line of policy drawn up for the White House and wanted to stop this unjust war, that angered the owners of the major corporations who were benefiting from its continuation. And so Kennedy was killed, and al-Qaeda wasn't present at that time, but rather, those corporations were the primary beneficiary from his killing.</p></blockquote><p>Compare this to a <a target="_blank" href="https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/j ... atement</a> by Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's leftist president, with regards to Honduras: "If the oligarchies break the rules of the game as they have done, the people have the right to resistance and combat, and we are with them." True to the established template, Chavez rejects the possibility of common people resisting a leftist takeover, so the culprit must be some mysterious unidentified "oligarchies." Painting by numbers, he predictably ends up with a picture of a <a target="_blank" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/c ... pnews">CIA conspiracy</a>.</p><p>Only this time, given President Obama's ideological affinity with the ousted would-be dictator, Chavez's caricature of defenders of liberty as CIA puppets isn't working.</p><p>An expert in the region, J. Michael Waller, explains that the CIA indeed has been involved in Latin American politics with varying degrees of success:</p><blockquote><p>One of its state-of-the-art operations occurred in the early 1950s when President Eisenhower authorized the CIA to overthrow the elected government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala, who was subverting Guatemala's fragile democratic institutions to set up a leftist regime. The U.S. correctly joined many Guatemalans in fearing that Arbenz would bring his country into the Soviet camp. This was early in the Cold War, and it pre-dated Fidel Castro's revolution.</p></blockquote><p>But that successful operation also happened to be the last of its kind:</p><blockquote><p>Had President Kennedy not gotten cold feet and aborted the CIA-run attempt to overthrow Castro in 1961, abandoning Cuban resistance fighters at the Bay of Pigs, Fidel Castro never would have consolidated his power and subverted the hemisphere and other parts of the world, and we never would have had a Cuban Missile Crisis.</p><p>Most of the other CIA political operations in Latin America were aimed at defeating the pro-Soviet left; interestingly, the CIA covertly funded the center-left, including socialists, to keep them from falling into the Soviet camp. The CIA almost never covertly supported right-wing forces; those forces were perfectly capable of operating on their own, and many were clumsy and even unnecessarily brutal in crushing the extreme left.</p><p>When the Marxists took power in Nicaragua in 1979, with the help of Jimmy Carter, it was the poor rural peasants who led the counter-revolutionary revolt. Campesinos from the countryside took up arms to fight the socialist revolution, because the Sandinistas began taking away their land, forcing them to work on collective farms, and conscripted them into a gigantic revolutionary army with Soviet weapons and Soviet-bloc trainers. The peasant resistance was supported by elements of the old Somoza regime who were the only ones at the time with military leadership experience, but the rank-and-file combatants were overwhelmingly poor peasants. Many of the fighters were former Sandinistas who had grown disillusioned with the socialist ideal.</p></blockquote><p>Waller does not hide his sympathies:</p><blockquote><p>I know this firsthand because I was with the Nicaraguan "contra" fighters at the time, between 1983 and 1989. They got started on their own and, without any foreign assistance, formed Latin America's largest peasant guerrilla army since the Mexican Revolution. The "contras" had a functioning army two or three years before receiving American military support, authorized by Congress and administered through the CIA. They succeeded in preventing the Marxists from establishing a socialist dictatorship.</p><p>Today the CIA operates more tightly than ever under strict laws and bureaucratic guidelines, and the oversight committees in Congress are informed of every significant covert operation. Every such operation requires a presidential "finding." The CIA cannot operate on its own. So if the CIA was involved in ousting former Honduran President Zelaya, as Hugo Chavez is claiming, then it was with the personal authorization of President Barack Obama and with the knowledge of the Democrat leadership in both houses of Congress.</p><p>The lunatic left like Hugo Chavez need the CIA boogeyman to justify their own extremism. We don't hear such anti-CIA accusations coming from the more mature, "responsible" left as in the leaders of countries like Chile and Brazil. Not even the newly elected president of El Salvador, Mauricio Funes of the Marxist FMLN party, is accusing the CIA of being involved in the Honduran events.</p><p>So if the CIA was behind the ouster of Hugo Chavez's Honduran ally, it would be because Barack Obama personally authorized it. The idea is an absurdity on its face.</p></blockquote><p>Sticking with the tradition, Chavez's friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is also blaming Iran's turmoil on the CIA. Factual or not, the propagandistic value of this charge is obvious. The CIA conspiracy card never failed to mesmerize the left-leaning Western intellectuals, especially those involved in producing the most powerful propaganda vehicles of all: Hollywood movies.</p><p>The latter are an especially easy target. Hollywood stars such as Redford, Stone, Clooney, Penn, Soderbergh, and many others may style themselves as unconventional rebels, but their political creativity is limited strictly to the reshuffling of worn-out propagandistic conventions. No matter how entertaining the patterns in their political kaleidoscope may appear, looking at the world though a mirror tube filled with one and the same set of colored pieces hasn't yet helped anyone to understand the reality of existence. If you disagree, try and talk politics to a "truther."</p><p>Those who believe that America, not the Soviet Union, was the engine behind the Cold War conflicts are not equipped to understand the current change in world dynamics.</p><p>Indeed, if the USSR was not the driving force, then its disappearance shouldn't bring any change. And yet change is significant - but since it doesn't fit their template, it is being axiomatically dismissed as the result of American interference.</p><p>If in the past they believed that the Soviet menace was fiction, today this logic leads them to believe that Islamic extremism, Iran, and the 9/11 attacks are merely a new fiction designed to replace the old fiction - all, of course, invented by the CIA and the military-industrial complex in order to justify their existence and perpetuate U.S. imperialism - which is the only absolute, transcendental force in the universe.</p><p>The Iranian expatriate author Amir Taheri wrote a <a target="_blank" href="https://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?sec ... pectacular analysis</a> of<i> Syriana </i>- a geopolitical blockbuster starring George Clooney, who also produced it. Made in 2005, the film describes an imagined CIA assassination of an enlightened Arab prince, who was also a progressive reformer. He was killed only because his oil contract with China had displeased Texas oil interests that control the U.S. government.</p><p>Leaving out the obvious economic absurdity of the premise, Taheri focuses on the arrogance of the self-loathing American filmmakers who "reduce the Arabs to the level of mere objects in their history."</p><p>The elitist Hollywood clichés, Taheri writes, even deny the Arabs "credit for their own terrorist acts as <i>Syriana</i> shows that it is not they but the CIA that decides who kills whom and where. This view denies Arabs not only intellect and free will, it even denies them their history. Pretending to be sympathetic to the 'Arab victims of American Imperialism,' the film is, in fact, an example of ethnocentrism gone wild. Its message is: the Arabs are nothing, not even self-motivated terrorists, but mere puppets manipulated by us in the omnipotent U.S."</p><p>J. Michael Waller echoes this verdict in his analysis of the leftist perception of Latin America:</p><blockquote><p>American liberals take such a patronizing, paternalistic attitude toward Latin American countries that they can't fathom the fact that most poor Latinos are anti-socialist and anti-communist. The campesinos just want to keep what little land they have, and keep the fruits of their labor. They don't want handouts. Nobody works harder than a Central American peasant. It is part of their character, and no foreign do-gooder or socialist is going to take that away from them.</p><p>It borders on racism for liberals to think that Latin American political leaders are incapable of defending their own countries against socialist subversion of constitutional government and rule of law, and that the Honduran Supreme Court and Congress - including former President Zelaya's own political party - needed CIA support to oust a president who was violating the constitution.</p></blockquote><p>This is the new reality of the post-Cold War world: without the threat of a Soviet-led intervention, free nations no longer require help from the CIA to resist leftist sedition. But reality is beside the point to dogmatic practitioners of the Cold War faith system, whose myths and legends have always supplied them with easy answers quickly identifiable culprits, and required the trashing of the CIA in order to improve their karmas and score points with fellow practitioners.</p><p>It doesn't even matter that in the modern day, in the words of Taheri, the CIA has become "little more than a costly leaking device used by rival groups within the U.S. establishment to lump accusations and counter-accusations at one another." What matters is the role assigned to the CIA by the old leftist template; no actions by the agency today can change that. For as long as the template exists, the CIA will be automatically perceived as the enemy of "progress" and suffer regular, mandatory beatings by the left - from foreign dictators to Hollywood filmmakers to mainstream media to Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and the left-leaning members of the U.S. Congress.</p><p>One can only imagine the cognitive dissonance in the heads of believers in leftist myths who have campaigned their way into the U.S. government and are now discovering the real world at CIA briefings.</p><p>To sum up this series, President Obama's foreign policies reveal a clichéd vision of the world, consistent with anti-American stereotypes disseminated by the Soviet propaganda during the Cold War, which he may have absorbed in his formative years.</p><p>A radical departure from American values, this vision compels him to correct what he perceives as America's "wrongs" by regressing to Cold War-era mythology and re-imagining the world as it might have been without America.</p><p>All the while, he stays in denial of the real changing world that longs to be rebuilt as it might have been without the Soviet Union.</p><p>Obama's approach objectively makes the world a more dangerous place, but it also unintentionally discredits the very leftist assumptions on which it is based - above all, the insinuation that any revolt against collectivist, statist oppression is the result of a U.S.-led conspiracy.</p><p>Without this and other Cold War-era dogmas misleading the world, it should now be obvious that the desire to live as free individuals in a democratic society is universal and that people of the world are eager to pursue it, with or without American help.</p>[/html]

 

 

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