Image

Historians: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Was Overreaction

User avatar
Europe 's view of the present Israeli offensive against Hezbollah as an "overreaction" and "disproportionate use of force" is rooted in relatively recent history, say progressive researchers. In 1943, Europe itself suffered from a similar Jewish overreaction to some controversial German policies, in an event known as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, when Zionist radicals attacked the National Socialist German Workers Party that was loved by the German people for its far-reaching educational and social welfare services.

In fact, many academics who teach Peace Studies at prestigious universities believe that it was the Zionists' "disproportionate use of force" that had ruined hopes for peace in Europe and caused a humanitarian crisis that could have easily been avoided if only Jews had shown restraint and tolerance towards the democratically elected German government.

Image

In fact, the reaction of world's media to the current Middle Eastern crisis is almost identical to that during the 1943 Warsaw crisis when, as modern historians claim, militant Zionists jeopardized the fragile peace that European leaders and progressive intellectuals had been trying to achieve by civilized means - as evidenced by the following collection of quotes and headlines of the time.

European politicians avoid apportioning blame

BRUSSELS, April 30, 1943 -- European leaders today expressed their "acute concern" over the intensifying conflict between Jews and the Gestapo in Warsaw, which they fear may further deteriorate fragile peace in Europe. Foreign ministers of the few remaining independent European powers adopted a declaration calling for an immediate end to the hostilities. Reflecting differing views among European nations, the document appears worded to avoid apportioning blame. It notes the Nazi Resistance must immediately make the operation of their gas chambers more transparent, while adding that Jews must show "utmost restraint" and not resort to "disproportionate action."


League of Nations anti-bias panel accuse Jews of racism

Members of a League of Nations anti-bias panel criticized Warsaw Jews on Thursday for violating humanitarian law and racially targeting the Nazis.


Jewish Uprising Triggers Humanitarian Crisis

16 Germans dead and 85 wounded In Warsaw Slaughter
Europe's call for an end to hostilities in the Warsaw Ghetto raises questions over how long Jews can stave off international pressure to end their three-week offensive in Warsaw, which has claimed hundreds of lives and created a refugee crisis. While moderate politicians are urging Jews to exercise "restraint" in their retaliation against the Nazis, most European leaders are denouncing Jewish retaliation as "disproportionate."


Goebbels: Jews must be held accountable for war crimes

Joseph Goebbels, a charismatic spokesman for the popular National Socialist German Workers Party, described the aftermath of Jewish strikes as "dramatic" and said Jewish forces had struck "very important elements of infrastructure," demanding that perpetrators be brought to justice at a press-conference in Berlin on Wednesday. "Jews must be held accountable for their war crimes, terrorism, and systematic human rights violations committed against the Aryan people," Mr. Goebbels said.


How could both sides have blundered so badly?

Miscalculations by Jews and Nazis have weakened Europe's fragile unity. A ceasefire is needed immediately. Where is Zionist exit strategy? Jewish hawks have started a war without any plausible objectives, any viable plan for disengagement, or any rational assessment of costs and benefits. Are they ready to absorb damage on the home front?


Poll: The tide of public opinion has shifted in the direction of Gestapo

The Jews' bloody response to concentration camps has united their enemies and divided their friends, the results of a current poll show. Atrocities committed by the Zionist militants in Warsaw and elsewhere have appalled Western opinion. The stature of the Gestapo grows, and the uprising has succeeded in discrediting moderate Germans and silencing the Nazi leaders in Berlin who were ready to start talking instead of killing.

Indeed, those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

Image
FROM PROFESSOR KURGMAN'S DESK:

Kevin Sites in Nazi Germany

How odd to find this old interview of a Nazi during World War ll, no doubt written by Kevin Sites' grandfather -- and yet the similarities to the younger Mr. Sites' missives from Lebanon are almost identical!

Guns in the Closet

At home in a town in southern Germany, an SS fighter waits to be called to action.

Hamburg, 1944 - Plumes of black smoke begin to fan out over the coastline in the distance. We ask someone in town what has happened. He tells us it's the power plant; the Americans have struck it with a missile. But it's impossible to confirm because the roads leading to it were bombed early in the offensive.

In fact, Germany's main north-south road is so pocked with bomb craters, blown-out bridges and blasted highway spans that there is only one route left for drivers headed into Berlin.

It is in this unfortunate but familiar reality for Germany that the new landscape is being formed - deepening current loyalties rather than shifting them.

Nowhere is that more clear than in the area I am traveling today, a Nazi stronghold north of the city of Duesseldorf. Here, I am told, few families have fled. Instead, they are waiting for the call of Nazi leader Adolph Hitler to come south to fight the Americans.

It's not a difficult or even particularly mysterious undertaking to meet members of the National Socialist Party. Politically, they are part of the current German government and have been highly visible throughout the country, particularly for the millions of der volk in Germany. But it is the Nazis with which America says it is at war.

Even its critics concede that the Nazis are a well-organized politically and highly disciplined militarily, and the two are woven together through common religious, cultural and social threads.

"They are an integral part of the fabric of German society here," a source with an intimate knowledge of Nazis who did not want to be identified told me. "It's a fallacy to think they can be cleaned out or eliminated."

We meet "Heinrich" at his home and sit down to talk in his living room, while his four-month-old baby daughter lies on a blanket on the floor. He is in his late 20s and has a calm face. He is polite but has a resolute sense about him that creates a cautious distance. Like many fighters, he says, he has another job and only joins the SS when he's needed.
But even though he's not on the front lines now, he says there is still a lot of work to do in the village — like looking for American spies. "We caught someone last night, he says, "sneaking around in the middle of the night."

"What do you do with 'spies' after you catch them?" I ask. "We question them for a while," he says, "then turn them over to the (German) army."

As for the fighting in the south, he says it's not necessary for him to leave yet. "I have a job to do and if the Americans want to come inside," he says, "then we'll do our job and defend our families."

Read more here>>

UPDATE:

(08/18/06)

For publik-skool educated comrades, a simplified analysis of this article has appeared on the Internet in the "Urban Legends" category:

https://www.snopes.com/politics/israel/warsaw.asp

https://urbanlegends.about.com/library/ ... ytimes.htm

The last one sounds as if it were written by our own columnist Paul Kurgman himself!

 

 

User avatar
And don't forget later in the war when we rashly invaded France on the beaches of Normandy. Why, we weren't even at war with France! The New York Times was the first to sound the call for peace and a cease-fire so that we could negotiate with the National Socialists and bring an honorable end to the war. Thank goodness our leaders followed that advice. Just imagine what the world would have been like if we'd continued with all that fighting?

 

 

Our Comrades at arms are the real heros of the Great Patriotic War! Hail Comrade Stalin! Our Man of Steel!

 

 

Glad to see DEMs total support of Hezbollah.  With our House and Senate apparently getting out of GW's control in 2007, unlike 1940s US should be able to back the peace-loving side (Hezbites) - who are dedicated to fill the world with peace, human rights, justice and free love for all.

 

 


 

Your alleged Goebbels-Quote are almost identical to what "Poticial Experts" are saying on German TV right now in 2006. Germany is becoming a scary place - again.

 

 

User avatar
How to cheapen the suffering of Jews
a hands-on manual with examples from a progressive website


Perhaps because our Warsaw Ghetto Uprising story was referenced in several comments at Little Green Footballs, it is now also being discussed at the left-wing progressive LGF Watch site that claims to be "Keeping an eye on those rabid racists at Little Green Footballs."

We have posted a screenshot of the discussion - in case the LGF Watch comrades see this comment and decide to clean up their act:
https://lgfwatch.blogspot.com/2006/08/h ... -jews.html

Dear comrades at LGF Watch! The Politburo appreciates your zeal, and while you correctly establish all the true progressive viewpoints about the lying Jews and the hatred of "hate mongering diatribes meant to enlave [sic] and control and brain wash," need we remind you that such rhetoric should be limited to the select inner circle - where it cannot be overheard? For external use the Party recommends polite and high-brow faking of love, tolerance and acceptance while acting as victims and generating a reasonable amount of healthy guilt in the audiences. Remember: the truth is a precious commodity and has to measured carefully!

Now look at what you did. The discussion has run amok and is likely to scare away any potential converts to the Party line, as they won't know who exactly are the liars and the hate mongers here, let alone who is really out to cheapen the suffering of Jews.

Image
***********************************
Ay ay ay! Well, comrades, consider your vodka and potatoes rationing coupons revoked until further notice. To enforce the Party discipline the Politburo must sentence you to self-criticism sessions of various lengths. Report to the nearest Kommissar. Bring warms clothes and a shovel.

-- Red Square

 

 

User avatar
UPDATE:
(08/18/06)

For publik-skool educated comrades, a simplified analysis of this article has appeared on the Internet in the "Urban Legends" category:

https://www.snopes.com/politics/israel/warsaw.asp

https://urbanlegends.about.com/library/ ... ytimes.htm

The last one sounds as if it were written by our own columnist Paul Kurgman himself!

 

 

Actually, Adolf Hitler was named Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938. Henry Ford gave Hitler $30 grand every year for his birthday, the US business community loved Hitler and Mussolini, IBM and Coca-cola did business with him (Shasta Orange is the Nazi soda), not to mention the America First Committe which was committed to keeping America out of Hitler's way, which was headed by Sears & Roebuck CEO Robert E. Wood, and whose members included Republican Senator Gerald P. Nye and future Republican President Gerald Ford. And who can forget Father Coughlin's radio commentary, when he ruthlessly attacked Jews in equal fury that he attacked FDR and the New Deal, and such "crazy ideas" as a minimum wage.

Fascism: A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism." - American Heritage Dictionary, 1983

 

 

User avatar
Dear Comrade Alva!

Welcome to the Gulag outpatient program of Karl Marx Treatment Center. Have you met all the patients yet? We hope you'll feel quite at home here.

We're glad you bring up the fascism-communism dichotomy here. If it's not communism, it's gotta be fascism, right? You're making your Kommissar proud.

You're following all the correct steps in making a strong progressive argument! That includes accusing US capitalists in being friendly with the Nazi Germany while omitting that many US capitalists were also friends with Lenin, Stalin, and the USSR (Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum and others). It should only be known in the inner Party circle, that Stalin himself at some point was friendly with Hitler and supported him all the way until June 22, 1941 when Hitler attacked the USSR. The NY Times and many liberals too supported Stalin (look up Walter Duranty and his Pulitzer-winning reports from Russia of the time). And when Stalin issued a directive to kiss Hitler's butt, the International Left opened their chapsticks. They are currently doing exactly the same with Ahmadinejad, but that's a different story (or is it?).

But wait, if the Times liked Stalin, and Stalin liked Hitler then... Oops. Hey, we don't have to connect ALL the dots, right? If we invented this logic, we can also choose when to follow it and when not. It's the right-wingers who must follow logic and all the stupid rules all the time. But we, the enlightened progressives who fight for The Greater Good™, are allowed to rearrange the reality, lie, exaggerate, conceal, and slander because it's all justified by the outcome when The Greater Good™ is finally achieved. Just like our progressive comrades for Islam are allowed to use deception with infidels, especially if they live in the West.

For more on Hitler, Fascism, and the proper way to fight right-wingers, please refer to our People's Glossary - https://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/view ... =42#Hitler

Actually...........she's proved our satirical point. Mulva, please keep posting, don't go away like other trolls, we promise not to insult your great intellect. Please Red, can we keep her?

L.

 

 

Thanks for the warm welcome.
Indeed Hitler was a fascist, and a madman to boot. I’m not sure what his treaty with the Soviets have to do with anything, or the US being allies with the Soviets in fighting Germany (who had declared war on both of them). It wouldn’t be the last time the US made nice with some unseemly (cough cough Saddam cough cough) friends. I’m also not quite sure what Muhammad Amadinthehead has to do with anything, except that his election is proof that if the biggest military in the world calls your reformist-leaning nation an “axis of evil” you will run to the hills and elect the biggest bellicose freak you can to protect you. Of course, the US has a wonderful track record when it comes threatening Iran. The last time we overthrew their government we kicked out their democracy and put a dictator named the Reza Pahlevi in place. Well you know what they say about dictators….they’re reliable….unlike those pesky elections where they elect the wrong puppet. Damn those free elections!

It is news to me that Islamists are progressives. Give Pat Robertson a turban and you get….oh never mind.

“The…party…assembled…again declares its faith, appeals to its history, and announces its position upon the questions before the country…We are opposed to further grants of the public lands to CORPORATIONS and MONOPOLIES, and DEMAND that the NATIONAL DOMAIN be set apart for FREE HOMES for the PEOPLE. Among the questions which press for attention is that which concerns the relations of CAPITAL AND LABOR, and the…party recognizes the DUTY of so shaping legislation as to secure FULL PROTECTION…for labor—THE CREATOR OF CAPITAL” - excerpts from the Republican Party Platform of 1872

Everbody knows about the Shah of Iran, who cares about Pat Robertson, but what was Tilden's platform? This I'm dying to know! .....oh and yes, another stolen election by Republicans....get over it and grab a life while you can Ms. Nitwit. Nice blogspeck BTW, your one hit today was me.

Laika

 

 

User avatar
Alva Goldbook wrote:“The…party…assembled…again declares its faith, appeals to its history, and announces its position upon the questions before the country…We are opposed to further grants of the public lands to CORPORATIONS and MONOPOLIES, and DEMAND that the NATIONAL DOMAIN be set apart for FREE HOMES for the PEOPLE. Among the questions which press for attention is that which concerns the relations of CAPITAL AND LABOR, and the…party recognizes the DUTY of so shaping legislation as to secure FULL PROTECTION…for labor—THE CREATOR OF CAPITAL” - excerpts from the Republican Party Platform of 1872

Sounds like you're telling the Republicans to take their party back from those who've betrayed the party's core principles. Am I correct in this assumption? The Left is always giving the Right well-meaning advice. Actually, the full quote about Capital and Labor is:

Eleventh. Among the questions which press for attention is that which concerns the relations of capital and labor, and the Republican party recognizes the duty of so shaping legislation as to secure full protection and the amplest field for capital, and for labor—the creator of capital—the largest opportunities and a just share of the mutual profits of these two great servants of civilization.

However, all of this is completely out of context to the subject of The New York Times, of which this post section is a part of.

Alva, the correct area to post your off-topic topics is at the People's Blog area. Off-topic posts in the reply sections of the topics of the work of others is considered rude. You do have manners, don't you? Good. Then, perhaps we can explore the full ramifications of this weighty subject first brought to light, I believe, at the commondreams website. I'm certain that you've put together a new synthesis of original and valuble insights and I'm looking forward to new ideas and ways of seeing things. Please, don't reinvent the wheel and then act as though it's your invention, don't write your topics as though the ideas of others are your original thoughts, and please give credit where credit is due and take the time to provide good web-links. Like you should have done above. Oh, and add a touch of humor when you can.

Laika, you were right. It is kind of cute. Can we keep it, Red Square? Can we? I promise to feed it.


But it's my catch, I get to net the elusive Nitwit Flounder. We already have a Habitat for Halibut for her. Maybe we get some Liberal roe and make caviar? No?

Laika


:) :o :) :o :) :o :) :o :) :wink:

Laika, why do you call it a "her"? How can you tell? Is there something I'm missing here?

Alva dear, are you a male or a female of your species? Or are you just a Nitwit? Prey, do tell.

Margaret

 

 

The idea that she feels she has to prove something I.E. Intellectual juggernaut or student of hatred at Berkley she did prove one thing. No matter how many women and childer die here or in Hiafa she has an excuse not to have blood on her hands......Bombs away!!!..........Now moost rea-turn for beatinks an shuvel class at  Gulag....And reh-mem-bor coomrads beetings vill conn-tin-ewe until morh-al improhves!!!

 

 

User avatar
Actually, Adolf Hitler was named Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938.

That isn't surprising....

 

 

I believe there are incidents of overreaction in American history as well, comrades. Take, for example, when American capitalists, tired of being taxed (for the greater good of course) by their British government, threw tea overboard in Boston harbor, and then Amerikkkan farmers attacked the British peacekeepers and started a war what they called a "revolution." It was not a true revolution of course, as it did not bring a great future of socialism to the new country. Nevertheless, Amerikkka was born out of an overreaction to taxes.

Another instance, is more recent. For decades in the first half of the 20th century, the Japanese people had been oppressed by the Western imperialists, who had established colonies in Asia. The Japanese emperor and his government began a policy of liberating Asian countries, such as China, Indochina, and the Pacific islands. Just as the peaceful Muslim freedom fighters today fight for a worldwide greater Islamic cailphate, the Japanese fought for a Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere and began to liberate Asian lands from the Western oppressors. When the American government stationed warships at Pearl Harbor in a move to provoke the peaceful Japanese government, the misunderstood and desperate Japanese had to attack the Amerikkkan ships on December 7, 1941.  The Amerikkkans overreacted to the attack, and waged a total war with their imperialist allies that destroyed the empire the peace loving Hirohito had worked so hard to create.

 

 

User avatar
Just in case somebody doubts that the lead article depicts a plausible scenario based on the liberal Left's frame of reference, Jessica's Well blog has uncovered a 1946 issue of Life Magazine, published 6 months after the war ended, with a story about America's "failure to win peace in Europe" by Dos Passos, a communist novelist.
Life Magazine wrote:"We have swept away Hitlerism, but a great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease."
Image

Read the whole thing.
Video of Fox News summarizing the story.

 
Last edited by mi on 09 Jan 2008, 16:11, edited 4 times in total.
Reason for editing this post: Update the links. Also convert to BB-code

 

User avatar
[html]The urban legends "debunking": <a href="https://urbanlegends.about.com/library/ ... ytimes.htm"> https://urbanlegends.about.com/library/ ... ytimes.htm </a>

includes a poll with the question:

"Do you think this parody is a valid critique of the editorial stance of today's NY Times?"

so far, thepeoplescube's satire appears <a href="https://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/pages ... ytimes.htm"> vindicated</a> with "Yes" @ 62% versus "No" @32% :

Image

Vote early & vote often, comrades![/html]

 

 


 

User avatar
Comrade Rainbow, of course you will vote. You will vote early, and you will vote often. All in accordance with the wishes of your ACORN handlers.

 

 


 

User avatar
Oi vei, those Jews are always overreacting!
Just look at my wife. Every time I have to pay the Party Dues she screams bloody murder that I take food away from our children, that they have not seen black caviar for over 3 months, because I "waist family money on this bunch of shmucks". You better believe what The New York Pravda prints!

 

 

I like this place, it's interesting. The people's cube!

 

 

User avatar
Welcome, new friend astonjon. Here the cube is in all its carmine glory, boldly thrusting a stern and powerful proletarian chin into the dawn of the glorious world of next Tuesday. Feel free to pay your party dues and snoop around.

 

 

User avatar
When the above spoof of the NYT front page was first published, we were being chided for "going over the top" by suggesting that the prog media's denunciation of Israel's 2006 intervention in Lebanon was the equivalent of the New York Times saying in 1943 that the Jewish uprising against the Nazis in Warsaw was an overreaction. As it turns out, we were even more on target than we had imagined.

In this recent TED Talk video from October 30, 2013, a young historian from New York named Anna Blech makes a convincing indictment of Arthur Hays Sulzberger and the New York Times, who deliberately downplayed the Holocaust by concealing reports that could have saved thousands if not more during WWII.

This is more than just life imitating the People's Cube. And we here thought that the progs today have become too absurd to spoof. It now appears they had always been like this, they just know how to rewrite history too well.

We should be careful about what we spoof next; any random satire can easily turn out to be a hair-raising reality.

 

 


 

Alva Goldbook wrote:Actually, Adolf Hitler was named Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938. Henry Ford gave Hitler $30 grand every year for his birthday, the US business community loved Hitler and Mussolini, IBM and Coca-cola did business with him (Shasta Orange is the Nazi soda), not to mention the America First Committe which was committed to keeping America out of Hitler's way, which was headed by Sears & Roebuck CEO Robert E. Wood, and whose members included Republican Senator Gerald P. Nye and future Republican President Gerald Ford. And who can forget Father Coughlin's radio commentary, when he ruthlessly attacked Jews in equal fury that he attacked FDR and the New Deal, and such "crazy ideas" as a minimum wage.

Fascism: A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism." - American Heritage Dictionary, 1983
It was wise of our party leaders to so thoroughly convince the Western Scholastics that Fascism was Right Wing. When in fact it was nothing more than a more vigorous, militant, version of the European Socialism already common in the West. Which is why they opposed our International Commune so strenuously. There could be only one ruler of Socialism. And it had to be us.

 

 

mi
User avatar
Red Square wrote:
Just in case somebody doubts that the lead article depicts a plausible scenario based on the liberal Left's frame of reference, Jessica's Well blog has uncovered a 1946 issue of Life Magazine ...
Read the whole thing.
Video of Fox News summarizing the story.
The links above no longer work, unfortunately. But, thanks to "Правда", the image of the issue -- with the beginning of the article -- is available:
lifepostgraphic.jpg

 

 


 
POST REPLY